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Date Posted: 10:49:21 11/29/04 Mon
Author: Shane
Subject: Re: Please continue to think
In reply to: Brother in Christ 's message, "Re: Please continue to think" on 09:10:26 11/29/04 Mon

What brother in Christ is saying is true. They will only push you as far as you can go. Some missionaries are better at it then others. But once they have you they WILL demand all sorts of things from you. Here is a typical real life example that I witnessed.

Jeff M.-1.Asked to move out of apartment into "commonlife"(standard). 2.Major changed from Chemistry to Pre-Med.(total disaster)3.Pressured to marry another sister at the center.(Also disaster, as he was not willing and they really put the screws on him) He eventually left UBF.

Once they have you: majors are changed, living locations change, you are sent to various places, spouses are chosen, you name it and they will choose it for you.

Shane

>Hi Christian man,
>
>Ok let me say something now. I just want to encourage
>you to continue to work for change. I also want
>change. I have some small influence and contacts and
>am looking for someone to initiate change. I would say
>be more public and aggressive about change. I will
>support you. I feel you think the same way i do.
>Please continue to be aggressive about change. You are
>not alone. There are a lot who want change but they
>lack a leader. If someone like you comes out and is
>clear about change many will follow. I guess what i am
>trying to say is keep fighting, there are many who
>quietly are waiting for you.
>
>Also you say they never asked for money, or
>discouraged you from going to seminary, or tried to
>break up you relation with your fiance, let me tell
>you why. It is because they are not comfortable that
>they have you. Even though you have been there for 5
>years, you have too many outside stuff going on and
>they know you are not a solid regular member. Trust me
>the minute they think they have you they will demand
>all kinds of things.
>
>>I find something very interesting, Like I said, I have
>>been a part of UBF for about 5 years, and while I cant
>>discredit those who say that they were abused, I just
>>haven't seen it myself. What I am about to tell you
>>all is the truth, I started dating a girl just before
>>I came to UBF, and while the members of the church
>>cautioned us to stay pure, no one has ever even hinted
>>at trying to break us up or marry someone else, ever.
>>No one has ever told me to give them money outside of
>>the normal parameters of what a Christian should give
>>(Believe me). NO one has ever tried to pull me away
>>from my family, infact many people pray all the time
>>for the unbelieving members of my family that they may
>>believe in Jesus (Not come to UBF, I am the only one
>>in my family in UBF, although the members in my family
>>can very much see my changed life from a drug addict
>>and sex addict and overall punk, to a growing disciple
>>of my Lord Jesus Christ). No one has told me not to go
>>to seminary, even though I realize that very few in
>>the ministry have gone. Honestly, it is very hard for
>>me to discern if some of you are telling the truth or
>>not (I am just being honest). I told you before that I
>>think outside of the box, especially the UBF box, so I
>>can very easily see how things could be taken the
>>wrong way by people who are exposed to the old school
>>Korean missionaries who may very well be authoritative
>>in nature. I pose to any of you a question, How can
>>anybody force you to do something you dont want to do
>>? (please do not answer with a response of
>>brainwashing or brain wave manipulation, because they
>>would have to be a darn good hypnotist to make me
>>break up with my fionce, or leave my family, or give
>>up seminary) No one there has ever even tried to do
>>this! I mean it. How can someone force another person
>>to get an abortion? Did they hold a gun to the
>>person's head? This is America, in this country we are
>>free. If any one of those things were done to me by
>>someone in UBF, I would be out the door faster than
>>you could say "Friday Meeting." But I am an objective
>>observer, because UBF is not the only church that I
>>attend, I also go to Willow Creek on occasion and
>>Harvest Bible Chapel as well, I have a great network
>>of Christian friends from all kinds of different
>>ministries, and although I see many problems within
>>UBF as in any church, I just haven't seen anything
>>close to what is charged, and I would think that I
>>would have seen or experienced at least something in
>>the 5 years that I have been deeply involved. Is it
>>possible, just possible that at least some things have
>>been blown a little out of proportion? Thankyou and
>>May Jesus be with you.

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