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Date Posted: 18:48:30 10/11/04 Mon
Author: Brian Karcher
Subject: Re: Thoughts to your response...
In reply to: Tom F 's message, "Thoughts to your response..." on 14:05:00 10/11/04 Mon

>Brian, I know that you are vehemently trying to defend
>UBF and the leaders the run it. Have you ever stopped
>to think that maybe their intentions aren't what they
>seem?

I am not trying to defend UBF. If UBF was destroyed today, I would still be serving God the way I am tomorrow. Yes, I've considered whether leader's intentions aren't what they seem. Every time I considered this, I found only one conclusion: UBF shepherds and missionaries desire to preach the gospel and make disicples of Jesus. There is no hidden motive that I have found in the last 17 years, after attending nearly every Friday meeting, fellowship meeting, Bible study, group Bible study, worship service and conference.


>Even more so, what about communion and baptism? Why
>aren't those practiced openly?

I have participated in communion and baptism. These are handled carefully and not done superfically as in many churches, so that they have real meaning. The reason, as I see it, is: 1 Corinthians 1:17 "For Christ did not send me to baptize, but to preach the gospel--not with words of human wisdom, lest the cross of Christ be emptied of its power."

>The primary doctrine of Christianity is freedom
>through faith in Christ.

I'll take this at face value. If freedom through faith in Christ is the doctrine, then it is freedom from what to what? We are freed from a life of sin to a life of obedience to Christ and serving God's mission.


>The primary doctrine of UBF
>is control through fear of UBF.

Fear of UBF is not what I fear. I do fear God, though. I thank God for a ministry that is able to teach and plant the fear of God.


>If you are not willing to get a second perspective
>on things, then your own passion for this ministry has
>blinded you to the truth.

I have gotten a second, a third and even a fourth perspective on things for many years. The conclusion for me is the same: UBF is an instrument of God's work.


>Not to be offensive, just
>stating a fact. My reommendation to you, and to all
>UBF members, is to find a different church to go to.

I have attended services from a Catholic church, a Salvation Army church, a Mennonite church, and a Lutheran church, all while in UBF. They had some good points, but not one of them taught mission as a reality. Some of them did have some sort of Bible study. Most seemed to be social-oriented. I am not saying all churches outside of UBF are so bad, but my experiences did not move me to want to leave UBF ministry.


>If you don't like it, find another. Keep going until
>you see something you like.

So, we are to keep "church-hopping" until we find someone who will teach what our itching ears want to hear?


>Test and approve God's will in UBF. You may find
>that, if you honestly seek the truth, you may be led
>away from UBF.

I agree totally. It is possible that God would lead you away from UBF. God is not leading me in that direction. Just a side note, why do those who are anti-UBF stop emailing me when they see it is clear that I have no intention to leave? Isn't the real motive of this board to pull people away from UBF? As a student of the Bible, I would suggest finding a different mission, like pulling people toward God.

This is the last post from me for this week.

Immanuel,
Brian.

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