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Date Posted: 11:04:39 10/12/04 Tue
Author: Joe
Subject: Re: UBF Doctrine (forgot one)
In reply to: Joe 's message, "Re: UBF Doctrine" on 10:27:58 10/12/04 Tue

>>>22. A UBF member's commitment to the group is seen as
>>>exemplary when they can "give up their Isaac," that
>>>is, when they are willing to neglect family life and
>>>even the care of their children to participate with
>>>full zeal in the UBF ministry.
>>
>>Certainly someone could cite examples of this behavior
>>happening somewhere in UBF.
>
>
>There are some old discussion threads floating out
>there about the neglect of children of UBF. Someone
>should post those on the site.

Forgot this important one:

Date Posted: 10:57:53 07/09/04 Fri
Author: Sorry for those Children
Subject: Tradegies in UBF: Abandon Your Child

Here's a tradegy that went on in UBF that I think needs to be discussed more:
Samuel Lee/UBF leaders made members give up their children. Before Barbara D. could "marry by faith" in UBF she was told that she had to give up her child that she had had through an immoral relationship [This was back around 2000, if I recall correctly]. If I remember correctly, her child was about 7 when she was told to give him/her up in order to marry Jerry Robinson. And from what I remember, she did give up her child for adoption. I was told she had to do this to start a new life and that a future husband wouldn't want someone already with a child. This is so sad, tragic and evil. If Barbara became a Christian her sins are forgiven, including getting pregnant outside of marriage. Samuel Lee and other UBF leaders should have encouraged her to continue to take responsibility for the wrong choice she made earlier by taking care of her child. Instead, the-ever-so warped Samuel Lee pushed her to give up her child as the only way for her to get married in UBF.

There are other cases: Jacob Kim told me he was married before to someone else in UBF. Together they had a son. His wife had mental issues and they divorced (I don't remember if Samuel Lee told them to divorce or if she was critical of UBF-- does anyone know?). Samuel Lee also told Jacob Kim to give up his son for adoption and then to re-marry in UBF which he did. A few years ago I asked him if he sees his son and has a relationship with him and he said no. I just don't understand these things. I think this is so wrong. You don't abandon your child. You love them, take responsibility for them and care for them.

Remember Samuel Lee also tried to make Rebekah Yoon give up her child to the Joungs. In fact, they did have him for about 9-10 months, if I remember correctly. Who else did Samuel Lee do this to? Kathy Calabrese also wrote in her testimony that when she was pregnant with her 5th child Samuel Lee told her to give up her baby for adoption after birth. Thank God Kathy refused and stood her ground even though Samuel Lee later slandered her. He lied and said Kathy was so burdened financially by their 5th child and that somehow she ruined the Northeastern ministry. Did Samuel Lee do this horrible, evil thing to anyone else???

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Re: UBF Doctrine (some corrections) -- Joe, 13:08:02 10/12/04 Tue