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Date Posted: 10:28:11 10/19/04 Tue
Author: Brian Karcher
Subject: Re: Openly
In reply to: Chris 's message, "Re: Openly" on 10:04:55 10/19/04 Tue

>It has been explained a thousand times on this website
>and many others, why not only UBF teachings, but
>shepherding/discipling teachings in general are not in
>line with and often reversed to Jesus teachings.

Certainly there is no lack of words or explanations regarding these things. But where is a sound, Scriptural writing? I am not persuaded by the words of men. The words of God tell me that the basic UBF teachings are sound and that shepherding is in line with what Jesus taught.

>1) a forum for those who oppose UBF on a doctrinal
>basis 2) a forum for those who oppose UBF on a
>personal experience basis and 3) a forum for those who
>oppose UBF on a cultural basis.
>
>You should add 4) those who oppose UBF because of its
>practices and methods and on cult mind control issues.
>
>The problem is that 1)-4) belong together. Because of
>the Korean background (culture), UBF has not proper
>doctrine (e.g. regarding authoritarism), because of
>the erroneous doctrine, they have unbiblical and
>harmful methods and practices and use cult mind
>control, because of this, leaders become corrupt and
>commit spiritual abuse, resulting in negative personal
>experience. All of this goes hand in hand.

Let's not get confused. There are Korean thoughts and practices that do influence UBF practices. However, I've seen over and over that when scriptures are believed and obeyed, the Korean influence is not harmful. Actually, I welcome this influence, as it is a breath of fresh air in American Christianity. I would also note that there is a German, Russian and South American influence, and many other cultural influences in UBF.

Brian.

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