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Date Posted: 13:57:12 10/30/04 Sat
Author: Shane
Subject: Re: Failure implied
In reply to: Mike K. 's message, "Failure implied" on 03:34:33 10/30/04 Sat

Mike,

These goals are very 'business oriented' more attuned to IBM or Microsoft then a church. It is no wonder that Isaac Kim used to call UBF 'God's business'. I guess I got tired of the corporate attitude.

One problem I saw is that they never fully realized the power of the Holy SPirit. Yes, they might talk about the HS but they never fully trusted in him. That is one reason they are so pushy and impatient.

Shane

>700,000 weekly one-to-one Bible studies within 39
>years.
>>700 weekly one-to-one Bible studies within 2 years
>70 disciples raised within 2 years
>
>So, with 70 disciples in 2 years, that translates to
>10 Bible Studies per "disciple".
>
>They believe that with their system, they can bring
>10% of people they 1:1 study with to be "raised as
>disciples".
>Please note that with this, they're inherently
>admitting what kind of a tremendous failure UBF is.
>
>Other ministries see to have conversion rates of
>twice, three times as many people of those who would
>frequent their ministry for a few months.
>
>So interestingly enough, they already admit that their
>system is fairly fruitless.

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