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Date Posted: 16:16:27 03/01/04 Mon
Author: ECAC HOCKEY FAN
Subject: ECAC HOCKEY & HC
Reports from ECAC Hockey insiders is that Quinnipiac will be invited to join the league because HC cannot make up their minds abount applying. With a new multi-purpose arena for hockey & basketball under construction they will be a perfect fit to upgrade their hockey program along with the basketball program. Once again HC with a chance to improve is sitting back and doing nothing.
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Re: ECAC HOCKEY & HC -- ECACInsider, 16:36:18 03/01/04 Mon
That is not true!!!!
The ECAC has not accepted any bids and will not be doing so until the summer despite the information that Quinnipiac is throwing around... I would be shocked as would the rest of the ECAC if Quinnipiac did start construction on that new building this summer.
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Re: ECAC HOCKEY & HC -- Gate Raider, 00:04:52 03/02/04 Tue
Holy Cross is obviously the best choice to join the ECAC. What we're talking about here is schools that are similar and HC fits that definition the best. Too bad, for Q but, they are not on the level of HC and the other schools in the ECAC. Adding Cross is the obvious choice and you Crusader fans should be making your voices heard at the school and in the ECAC.
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Re: ECAC HOCKEY & HC -- timholycross, 12:09:17 03/03/04 Wed
I think this is a win-win situtation for HC diehards.
If HC gets in, great, even though there isn't a lot of historical support for hockey.
If HC doesn't get in and the aforementioned Q does, it will add fuel to the flames of those who don't like the HC powers-that-be and who don't think HC should have ever danced to the tune of the Ivies to begin with.
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Re: If so, it's a TERRIBLE decision by the ECAC -- Go...'gate, 18:36:40 03/03/04 Wed
HC is the right fit. Quinnipiac is not in the same class, period.
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Re: If so, it's a TERRIBLE decision by the ECAC -- kesiwick, 18:54:48 03/03/04 Wed
They're not going to invite QU despite the spin from Q fans -- Holy Cross will be invited (fingers crossed) and we will accept
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Re: ECAC HOCKEY & HC -- HChockeyalum, 11:39:55 03/04/04 Thu
Though certainly not at the same level of importance as HC's rejection of the Big East years ago, HC is at an analogous juncture now with hockey. While it is a sport that enjoys obvious regional support, HC hockey has generated ambivalence, at best, and outright hostility, more typically, from the administration. So I eagerly await any decisions re: the ECAC.
Known to anyone that cares, HC has one of the greatest sporting legacies of any small college in the nation, though not of late. Very simply, Quinnipiac is nothing. Correct me if I'm wrong, but they have a combined academic and athletic reputation of zero. I wouldn't send my dog to that school, full scholarship or not. The ECAC AND HC must understand that they are the best fit, so long as HC 'takes the shortest route to the puck and arrives in ill humor' by making a 'bold move' to join.
I, for one, will increase the value of my consistent contributions to the 'Fund' the day that HC makes a commitment to FULLY supporting hockey, men and women, with money and facilities.
Did any of you know that HC used to give hockey and baseball scholarships as recently as 1982? Even with a partial complement of hockey scholarships, does anyone have a doubt that HC would compete in the ECAC?
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Re: ECAC HOCKEY & HC -- cf rivals, 12:09:34 03/04/04 Thu
I for one and not a hocky fan, but if HC played in the ECAC and drew some top notch games at home, I would go. The Ice Cats proved you could sell good hockey in Worcester and the fact we have held the NCAA's has got to tell you something.
This looks to be a no-brainer and adding scholarships has got to be part of the deal.(Regan mentioned they were looking at adding scholarships to another sport a couple of years ago in a Crossports interview).
The one thing that makes me cautious is the HC likes to talk about the future and what may happpen, but when the future becomes the now, they wish to back off and make no mention of it. If you are a hockey backer you should let the administration know you would like to see it happen.
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Re: ECAC HOCKEY & HC -- kesiwick, 13:17:08 03/04/04 Thu
the last two posts are spot on --- also, on the fundraising question it has been my experience that occasional so-called "restrictive" campaigns can draw support from those alums who don't ordinarily give large amounts of money to a general fund because they don't want their money supporting policies or groups they don't happen to agree with -- but if it's targeted to improve one aspect of the college -- say the hockey program -- above and beyond what the college normally spends on it they will give -- HC can do well in hockey and compete nationally --- unfortunately, the same cannot be said for most of our other sports -- save lacrosse if we ever decide to focus seriously on it --
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Re: ECAC HOCKEY & HC -- NTKHC64, 15:17:48 03/04/04 Thu
Perhaps this article last month in the Quinnipiac student paper is the source of the speculation about its joining the ECAC.
If you read it, you will see that it is far from describing a done deal.
http://www.quchronicle.com/news/2004/02/19/Sports/Mens-Hockey.Eyes.Possible.Change-611231.shtml
As of now there has not been a decision to bring the league membership to 12, although this is likely. When the decision is made, the League will solicit interest.
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Don't blow it again, Holy Cross re: ECAC -- kesiwick, 17:33:37 03/04/04 Thu
From USCHO.com
http://www.uscho.com/news/2004/03/04_008102.php
Holy Smokes
Who knew there were so many Holy Cross hockey fans? And they all seemingly wrote to me last week, telling me how incredibly dumb I was to even suggest that Quinnipiac may be anywhere close to Holy Cross academically. According to one gentleman, I had better be a Quinnipiac alum, because if so, he could respect me sticking up for my school. Otherwise, I just must be an idiot.
OK, uncle. Call me an idiot. Holy Cross is a fine academic institution. I've seen the statistics. My eyes have seen the glory. It is superior to Quinnipiac.
So much for a throwaway line that was just trying to be nice to Quinnipiac so all their alums wouldn't write to me and tell me how I was disparaging their fine academic institution.
Let's understand something, though. It just doesn't matter. OK, so Holy Cross is a superior institution. It wasn't the point of that whole section. It doesn't matter if Holy Cross is a combination of Harvard and Oxford. It won't be the basis for them getting into the ECAC.
Geography, academics and its Patriot League relationship with Colgate are all in Holy Cross' favor. But if those are the reasons the ECAC uses for bringing them in, they just shouldn't bother with a 12th team.
The point was that Quinnipiac is good enough academically to fit into the ECAC, and is overwhelmingly superior in their commitment to a strong hockey program. If the ECAC decides it wants a 12th team, I would think that should be an overwhelming factor. Although, as I said, the groundswell is to leave it at 11 for now.
But let's throw in that Quinnipiac has a relationship with the New England Sports Network (NESN). That's a heckuva lot more than can be said for the rest of the ECAC right now. (Keep reading.)
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I never called him an idiot... -- Here's my letter, 12:24:15 03/05/04 Fri
Dear Mr. Wodon:
If you are a Quinnipiac grad, you can ignore the rest of this email because I respect an alumnus who stands up for his school. But if youre not
then I cant imagine what got you to drink the Kool-Aid for the Q. Full disclosure, I am a Holy Cross grad and bleed purple for all the teams. But Ive got to believe that, even allowing for my admitted lack of objectivity, the number of people who truly believe that Quinnipiac. is not that far behind academically, if at all is wholly derived from Quinnipiac grads, faculty and, apparently, Adam Wodon.
You mention that Quinnipiac is ..building a new hockey arena akin to Clarkson's Cheel Arena While Holy Cross arena would obviously not be on anyones list of large on-campus arenas, it does at least make The List of on-campus arenas. And should I infer from your use of the word building that construction is actually underway or is its meaning the same as in The Arizona Cardinals are building for the future.?
You wrap up your case for Quinnipiacs admission to the ECAC with your observation that Quinnipiac is devoted to one day giving a full slate of 18 hockey scholarships. As an HC grad, I am respectful of devotion and wish them well in this endeavor. However, I am not sure how that fits in with other ECAC programs such as Dartmouth, Colgate and Cornell nor do I understand how that increases Quinnipiacs attractiveness to these non-scholarship programs.
You then summarize all these points with your observation that Holy Cross does not have the same kind of commitment to hockey, even though currently, the Crusaders are having a fine season. Well, some might quibble with your conclusion as to the commitment. Over their last three home games, Holy Cross attendance has been greater than the Qs by approx. 125 per game (1,052 v. 925) - this despite Quinnipiac being the larger school (approx. twice the size). Of course, Holy Cross does have the advantage here because they have an on-campus arena which may also be indicative of some kind of commitment. Finally, as you alluded to (the Crusaders are having a fine season.), Holy Cross is in first place. While I am not that close to the program, I can assure you this success is not in spite of the schools commitment.
I am obviously very excited over this years Holy Cross team and am looking forward to a first-ever NCAA tournament berth. In fact, I can already imagine your Between the Lines headline:
Quinnipiac, Mercyhurst fail to earn Atlantic Hockey's NCAA tourney spot
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PS- after I wrote the letter, Q did announce plans for an on-campus facility...
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Re: I never called him an idiot... -- kesiwick, 12:35:32 03/05/04 Fri
I also wrote him on the "academic par" line. He conceded that he was wrong and it's reflected in his recent column. Also, one point on attendance. The locals around HC aren't that interested in watching AH teams. Central Mass. is a hotbed for high school and college hockey and if Holy Cross offered up the top programs in nation for them to see attendance would ramp up significantly.
ps -- please let the HC administration know via email that some of us in alum land support going into the ECAC --
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Re:Let Administration Know...Already Done By Me -- NTKHC64, 13:22:53 03/05/04 Fri
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Re:Let Administration Know...Already Done By Me -- timholycross, 08:33:50 03/06/04 Sat
NKT- do you have the email address for Mr. Regan? I would very much like to drop him a line supporting your position.
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Re:Let Administration Know...Already Done By Me -- kesiwick, 13:08:02 03/06/04 Sat
rregan@holycross.edu (I believe) -- I'd also email Fr. McFarland at mmcfarland@holycross.edu
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Re: mmcfarla@holycross.edu;regan's is ok -- NTKHC64, 08:09:43 03/07/04 Sun
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Re: mmcfarla@holycross.edu;regan's is ok -- matunuck, 10:49:16 03/07/04 Sun
mmcfarland@holycross.edu also works -- I used that email a few times
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Re: ECAC HOCKEY & HC -- Sader Fan, 22:29:04 07/19/04 Mon
Here is the thread mentioned by Rick and its worth another look.
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Re: ECAC HOCKEY & HC -- BrownBear, 07:26:29 07/20/04 Tue
Hi: Wasn't there something before the NCAA Convention that the Ivy ECAC members might break from the ECAC? I think the article talked about the concern over full scholarships for some teams. Then there was something that RPI and Clarkson and St. Lawrence, as Div 3 schools, got an exemption from the NCAA so they could be full athletic scholarship in one sport. From what I sense, the Ivies did not want to get beaten up by those with a full-scholarship advantage and might form their own league with non-schoarship schools. Also, my impressions about your President are that what ever the Ivies do, that is good enough for Holy Cross. His comments when Coach Gilmore was selected indicate that the "Ivy" was is the way to go. I think he understands that the Ivy League is essentially an athletic conference and look what benefits it has reaped!
I'll bet there is lobbying going on on the Presidential level to get HC in.
When is your next Trustees meeting?
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