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Subject: What?


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Bob
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Date Posted: 09:41:06 03/21/10 Sun



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Date Posted: 10:22:42 03/21/10 Sun



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tim
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Date Posted: 13:33:43 03/21/10 Sun

i would title this thread, the backcountry guide to the galaxy by the time traveller's of boysweekend.com

it could take reality tv to a whole new level!!??!!

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Bob
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Date Posted: 14:32:39 03/23/10 Tue

I didn't think Galaxies were on the list. These are visible with a 10" reflecting telescope. A simple piece of glass in a tube. Billions of them out there, too many to count with our primitive number system. Too far away to travel to in a human life time.





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Author:
Bob
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Date Posted: 16:34:20 03/27/10 Sat

The Full moon will be out next Wednesday. I wonder what the Ancients thought that was all about. Now you see it now you don't? Does the moon ever get mentioned in the dusty old book? I wonder why?

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Bob
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Date Posted: 13:16:46 04/08/10 Thu

I watched a great PBS special on the history of the telescope. It was a 2 part so I have only seen the first one. It took the invention from the beginning to present day. IT was really cool how we went from thinking we were the center of the universe to something very different. The church freaked out over each step in the discovery process. Presently we know we exist in one of billions of Galaxies. We used to think were were the center of everything. To date there have been more then 500 planets discovered orbiting other suns. None which would have life on them as we know it but we have just scratched the surface. Odds are there are billions of planets out there so some will have life and some will have life like we have here. The distances are amazing so we could likely never communicate with other worlds even if we were able to detect them. At least until we figure out how to go faster then light. Not this year but probably in the not to distant future. If we can imagine it we can do it.

I can't wait for part 2

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tim
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Date Posted: 14:43:11 04/08/10 Thu

it's the same God that looks down and sees your little self on phat mountain that made the planets and the galaxies. His love for us doesn't change no matter how vast we think He is...you're right about man freaking out about it, because we used to carry the same God around in a box...it was called the ark of the covenant...but lo and behold, our God can't be contained in a box, or a building, or a stadium or even a universe! This is the point! our God is a big God! Thank-you for opening the box, Robert!

praise God! He is a really big and really good!

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Bob
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Date Posted: 23:58:59 04/08/10 Thu

Ya just bring me one little scrap of evidence that points to the existence of a supreme being. Just because you don't know the answer to a question is no reason to invent an answer. Its ok to not know something.

Why is your God Good? I seem to remember asking you this question a while back. I think you could not come up with anything.

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tim
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Date Posted: 12:08:59 04/09/10 Fri

until you know, you don't know...once you know, then you'll know...it's all about the knowing...

it's all in the word. the word is alive! creation itself came from the word. the word became flesh and dwelt among us. the word was crucified, died and was buried, but rose again. the proof is in the word! it was all fulfilled in the word. in the end, it is the word that will remain.

we will all know in the blink of an eye.

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Bob the Biker
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Date Posted: 20:00:25 04/10/10 Sat

What ever Tim, you bought it hook line and sinker. Not sure you even understand logic or reason so there is not much reason to talk more about it.

We will never all know anything ever. It could be a perfect day out and some segment of the population will be bitching.

I saw a guy on TV last night who said he was Jesus (the second coming). I am pretty sure he was full of you know what.

Ra the sun god told me it was going to be an awesome day to ride motorcycles in Vermont this Sunday. I think I will go to Church so to speak.

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tim
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Date Posted: 07:56:26 04/12/10 Mon

i like the fishing analogy, bob. it was actually fishermen that Jesus used to turn the world upside down. They left their nets to follow Him and become fishers of men. You are a really big fish, so it will take just the right bait to catch you. meanwhile, you keep nibbling here and one day you too will be caught!

then we'll whistle and go fishin' into heaven...

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Biker Bob
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Date Posted: 19:35:22 04/15/10 Thu

Probably not Tim. I am too busy dealing with real stuff. I like to spend my time with the wind in my face. This place is heaven so your concepts of a better place after make no sense. Forever is like infinity and both are unlikely.

Nice ride today! Joe and I went around the lake. Blue sky, no traffic, Sun and smooth roads. Its only April and I have more then 500 miles on the blue bike already.

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tim
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Date Posted: 07:32:38 11/04/11 Fri

Dear Bob,

I want to thank you for making good on your promise to me. The money came in handy and was used to help me pay my quarterlies...

You still need Jesus!! But you are an honest sinner, who actually reads my words and comments on them here. I appreciate you and believe that you will one day see the light and receive the fullness of His joy

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CPC
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Date Posted: 15:52:06 11/06/11 Sun

Tim I am not a sinner. My prospective is my prospective and despite your view its still mine and equally valid. Your view is yours and that is ok. If you want me to respect your view you need to respect mine. This is a lesson from Kindergarten so don't ignore it. 100 bucks is chump change so get a grip. Today was worth a million if tomorrow never came.

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tim
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Date Posted: 20:23:34 11/06/11 Sun

there's only two choices, sinner or saint. Unless you have been converted since your last visit here, you have not yet received Christ as your personal Lord and Savior, which makes you still an unconverted sinner. If I am wrong about this then let me be the first to say, halleluiah!

I genuinely try to be as respectful of sinners as I am of other saints. God loves them and I too am to love them as I love myself, regardless of their "view." This IS 'my view' here at the Tim O'Rourke website, which I have created to get the word out and to lead as many as I can to repentence and belief in the Holy Bible as the unadulterated word of God, while there is still time!

The Bible is the owners manual for all of mankind. whether you believe it or not, it doesn't change the truth contained within it.

I do not need to 'respect' your view, anymore than respect "The View." What I do need to do is to respect the person, whether sinner or saint; to love the person, whether you is or whether you ain't. I respect your right to your own view, but that's not the same thing as respecting a certain viewpoint. I don't have to respect a viewpoint anymore than I have to respect a despicable act. In fact, you can take your view and put it where the sun don't shine!

by the way, if today was worth a million, who would you pay?

The Bible says that all good things come from God, so perhaps whether we are sinners or saints today, we can all be thankful that we don't have to pay for a good day. If it's a bad day, you can begin to experience, in a very, very, tiny way what it will be like if you miss heaven. Trust me on this, hell is not going to be as nice as the worst place on earth on the worst day.

Sooner or later we're all gonna pay for what we believe and what we say, so put your house in order while it is still called TODAY and call upon the LORD, confess your sin and God who is faithful and just will forgive you and cleanse you of all unrighteousness 1 John 1:9

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Bob
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Date Posted: 16:34:11 11/10/11 Thu

Owners manual? Tim the bible is 2000 years old, Man is millions of years old. Those poor poor early humans all must be in Hell. God musta forgot them, make sense? If god wanted us to all think the same why send a text document in one language? Seems like he might be pissed about all the editing done to that manual over the years. We changed it a bunch, left some out, translated into a worldly document for worldly purposes. God might have just blinked and we would all be in lock step. Then where would we be? No need for Religion if everyone was on board, hmmm do we see a glimmer of whats really going on? Perhaps the Church needs the Heaven and Hell conflict to exist, hmmmm do you think perhaps it was made up like that? Support the church I mean the bible was constructed to suport the church. Its a tool for the church to keep people like you coming back. Can you say hook line and sinker? I guess I know the answer to that one.

My house is in order. All set for what ever happens next.

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Tim
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Date Posted: 04:44:56 11/11/11 Fri

Dear Bob,

No matter how you translate it, there is One Thing that unites all believers of every generation and that is the truth that Jesus is the Messiah! He came to set the captives free! It's alll in the Word of God! It was in the original manuscripts and it was this Promise of His coming that was given to all of mankind; to Adam and Eve, to Noah and then Abraham and eventually the Jewish people, to Moses and the Prophets and then after His death and Resurrection to the Gentiles (that's everyone else)! It is through this same Truth that comes through this same Word of God that makes this same Way for all those who will believe and receive the free gift of Salvation through His shed blood Today!

According to what I read in this Promise, I know that my name is on the guest list and that I have been charged with inviting others to come and join the saints at the Marriage Feast in Heaven that no one should miss! There are plenty of folks who are more knowledgeable then me on the sequence of events and the whys and wherefores, so I won't try to delve into too much of that here. Suffice it for me to say that my blog is just one of the many portals to this eternal Kingdom that can start in the here and now and will go on forever!

Pick up the book and read!

T.O. 11/11/11

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Bob
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Date Posted: 15:07:57 11/11/11 Fri

Tim you miss my point, The Bible can't apply to all men because it simply was not around for a large part of the population. It was not availible once it was around for all men simply because it was only in one langauge so by default all the rest of the global population would be excluded. You need to take a few steps back to consider this prospective Tim. Its not possible to apply a universal truth to all men when it was not something all men could get at. No supreme being would do that. Why only allow a small portion of his children this information? It makes no sense to create everything (or have the power to) and then drop the manual in one populations lap. I don't buy god needing words or distributing them in such an exclusive way. It is not in the spirit of what it is suppose to stand for. Its all folk lore and you just will not see that as a possibility. The simple fact is that there is not one solid shred of evidence that supports what you think. Its on the same level as Ra the sun god, Zeus, and all the other explainations of stuff we don't completely understand. What will you do when we make contact with another intellegent race? It will happen simply because the universe is so big we can't even find the edge ot it. Billions upon billions of stars with huge numbers of planets means that somewhere there is an evolving race of intellegent beings looking for answers just like us. It will happen and then the big wind bag of orgainized religion will deflate and disappear.

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tim
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Date Posted: 19:47:43 11/13/11 Sun

Dear Robert, my friend,

you are talking about the 'scandal of particularity' and it is a common stubling block for thinking humans when considering the possibility of the existance of God. You are not unique in thinking that it's just not fair that a particular race of people would be chosen by the Creator of the Universe to provide a single way of salvation through a particular individual who lived and died in a particular place. And in fact, it is this particular point that every other religion would be in agreement including the Jewish religion, which was the very one that was chosen to serve up the Messiah for the Salvation of all mankind.

In researching more about this 'scandal of particularity', which again is an ever present arguement put forth by rational truth seekers like yourself, I came across a particular individual from the last century who studied and wrote about it in detail. I found it so informative and pertinent to what has been discussed on this thread that I have put it forth for all who may venture here.

from sacradoctrina.blogspot.com

the scandal of particularity

Lesslie Newbigin was probably one of the foremost Reformed churchmen of the 20th century: a courageous missionary, a thoughtful pastor-scholar, a successful ecumenist, and an insightful and prescient commenter upon the contemporary world.

Everything Newbigin has written - at least that I've read and studied - is certainly worth the attention. If you've not read anything penned by Newbigin yet (and shame on you), then Eerdmans' Lesslie Newbigin - Missionary Theologian: A Reader might be a good place to begin. It collects together excerpts from some of his most formative and trenchant works. Newbigin's works are also available online at newbigin.net.

One of his last book-length works was The Open Secret: An Introduction to the Theology of Mission published by Eerdmans in 1995 around the same time as Proper Confidence: Faith, Doubt and Certainty in Christian Discipleship. Published only three years before his death, The Open Secret builds a theology of mission upon more than 40 years of experience, writing, and reflection.

In The Open Secret Newbigin sets out a clear vision and call with regard to the essentially missional character of the church. In the process he wades through the vast array of literature on missiology and church growth from the past century, cutting a clear, biblical path through the sometimes dense undergrowth of varying perspectives and programs.

Newbigin's theology of mission is centrally Trinitarian in shape: proclaiming the kingdom of the Father in faith, sharing the life of the Son in love, and bearing witness of the Spirit in hope. As he unfolds these themes, Newbigin time and again underscores the importantly historical character of the Christian faith, that the concrete particularity of the Christian gospel is precisely what makes it relevant for all times and cultures.

This is the trajectory of the biblical witness, a continual narrowing of God's electing and redeeming purposes (Noah, Abraham, Israel, David, a remnant, etc.) until they all come to focus upon the person and work of Jesus Christ, in order that the universal purpose of blessing might come to all nations.

Newbigin explains the Scriptural "scandal of particularity" in relation to the universality of the gospel. These two themes appear in Scripture side by side, without any apparent sense of tension. Newbigin explains this in terms of the biblical view of humanity, which doesn't begin by "looking within and finding at the core of human reality a purely spiritual entity that is the object of God's saving purpose" (70). Rather the biblical focus is upon "this real world of real people" in all of their created materiality and interconnectedness.

Newbigin roots this, in turn, in the doctrine of the Trinity in which we find that "God is no solitary monad." Instead, Newbigin writes

God, as he is revealed to us in the gospel, is not a monad. Interpersonal relatedness belongs to the very being of God. Therefore there can be no salvation of human beings except in relatedness. No one can be made whole except by being restored to the wholeness of that being-in-relatedness for which God made us and the world and which is the image of the being-in-relatedness which is the being of God himself. (70)
If all of this is correct, then it cannot be the case that salvation comes "to each, direct from above, like a shaft of light through the roof," but rather must come through others, through our neighbors who have been called by God to bear his blessing to others (71).

The Bible, Newbigin observes, gives us a story, a narrative, a universal history. Sometimes people think that the point of the biblical story does not lie in its historical character, in it's "happenedness," but Newbigin disagrees. The biblical stories are not true simply in pointing to or illustrating "how things are" in abstraction, communicating general truths about the human condition.

Rather, the biblical story is true in terms of "this is what actually happened." As Newbigin notes,

The Bible does not tell stories that illustrate something true apart from the story. The Bible tells a story that is the story, the story of which our human life is a part. It is not that stories are part of human life, but that human life is part of a story. (82)
The reason that the salvation of each it tied up with the salvation of all is that "the biblical story is not a separate story." As Newbigin says, "The whole story of humankind is one single fabric of interconnected events, and the story the Bible tells is part of it" (87). Regarding the unbroken fabric of world history in relation to the Christian story, he writes

The Christian faith is that this is the place in the whole fabric where its pattern has been disclosed, even though the weaving is not yet finished...the question of the relation of the biblical story to the whole story of humankind is a question that has to be answered in action. The Christian confession about the meaning and end of history can make good its claim to truth over against other interpretations of human history only through actions in which this confession is embodies in deed - and in suffering. (88-90)
And it is from here that Newbigin moves on to speaks of God's action in the world through his people, the church.

Newbigin finishes The Open Secret by noting that one of the most common metaphors in the New Testament for describing the relationship between the church and the Gospel is one of "stewardship." He provides a brief catalogue of biblical teaching: Jesus' parables of servants entrusted with property, the image of clay pots filled with treasure, and so on.

The overall emphasis is one of the "infinite worth [of the gospel] as compared with the low estate of the servants in whose hands it is placed" (188). And the role of the church is that of steward, the gospel having been entrusted to them not primarily for their own benefit, but to be shared with the nations.

Newbigin goes on to outline the "several kinds of temptation" into which such a steward might fall, all which we can recognize in ourselves and our various communions far too easily. Newbigin illustrates each of these from the parables of Jesus: the steward who thinks himself to be the proprietor or the lazy, drowsy servant who allows the treasure to be stolen. The former ends up seeing the gospel as a personal possession and stingily withholds it from those "heathen" he deems to be irretrievably "lost." The latter is exemplified by a kind of worldliness so that the word of the gospel falls silent, whether due to the worldliness of liberalism or of a kind of Christian faith that is all too comfortable and mistakes middle-class propriety for gospel-values.

For those of us who hold to an orthodox, traditional faith, however, it is the parable of the unprofitable servant that Newbigin sees as most applicable. It is well worth quoting him at length:

...the steward may forget the purpose for which the treasure was entrusted to him and keep it wrapped up or buried in the ground. It is to such an unprofitable servant that the master in Jesus' parable says, "You wicked and slothful servant...You ought to have invested in money with the bankers, and at my coming I should have received what was my own with interest" (Matt 25:14-30). To invest the money with a view to a high rate of interest is to risk the capital. The church has often been afraid to do this, thinking that the faith once delivered to the saints to be preserved inviolate and without the change of a comma. Verbal orthodoxy then becomes the supreme virtue and syncretism becomes the most feared enemy.
This seems correct to me and a danger into which we all too often fall and do well to be warned against.

Newbigin concludes by once again returning to the true nature of the church's mission, one in which the church "seriously expects the Holy Spirit to take what belongs to Christ and show it to the church, thus leading the church into new truth." The church must, therefore, take risks, going forth among the nations, learning to speak the gospel faithfully, but in ever new ways.

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Date Posted: 17:44:08 11/14/11 Mon

So Tim like you always do you get all tangled up in it. My view is very simple. Men have been around a long time lets say 100,000 years as men just for arguments sake. The bible has been around for 2000 or 2% of that time. IT took 1800 years for Church people to attempt to spread the bible around to the rest of the population. They still missed some populations and others when their own way as Muslims, Hindus and many many other religions. The point being that there were many religions prior to ones based on the bible. Even to this day the Bible is not universally accepted by all men by a long shot. This is all fact based you cannot argue this.

Why would an all powerful being send a manual down to one population and then sit back and wait for 1800 or 1900 years for it to be distributed in an inconsistent manner (it changed) and an incomplete one (everyone doesn't buy it). If what you say is true way more then half the current 7 billion people on this earth are all going to hell. IT sounds to me like a horribly mismanaged project. IT is very reasonable to think that a lot of men came upon the same values in the bible naturally and then needed no affiliation with the church. By definition they too are destined to go to Hell from your prospective. This is not a scandal of particularity it just makes no sense. Its like saying if you never saw Happy Days you are doomed.

I know you can't meet this head on without having your foundation of belief fail. Religion is very digital, you are either a 1 or a 0 and there is really no middle ground.

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Date Posted: 15:44:32 01/24/12 Tue

Well Tim took his "1" for Religion with him and left this place. All this text will remain as long as we pay the Server fees. If you feel like it you can make a donation over on Boysweekend. The Web Master will continue to keep it alive if we get some help. These sites cost around 150 bucks a year to keep alive not counting the time to fiddle with things.

We will miss our Brother who was part of our existence for 40-53 years depending on who you are. Perhaps if Tim can find away he will send us a sign. Let me know if he does I wanna see it.

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Jon
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Date Posted: 19:42:17 02/10/12 Fri

Bob,this is a line from an earlier post...
"You still need Jesus!! But you are an honest sinner, who actually reads my words and comments on them here. I appreciate you and believe that you will one day see the light and receive the fullness of His joy"

Tim loved you Bob and we will miss him!!!

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