Date Posted:22:31:06 04/21/02 Sun Author: Deeva Subject: Weekend Update of Spoiler Slayer-Spec, Spoilers & NB comments
Sunday, April 21, 2002
Sunday Update - Spoiler Zone, NB Comments
Still not much in the way of new news, but there are a few things to
mention.
Wendy updated the SpoilerZone, as usual there are a few tidbits that I
may not have mentioned (nothing earth-shattering), but still good to
hear about.
Right now, I am not going to do any speculating or discuss what might
happen with the show after Season Seven. I do know that in addition to
some comments that have been made about Marti Noxon's three year
contract with Fox (which in some reports would seem to indicate that
Buffy may continue past Season Seven), Nick B. made some comments at
a convention this weekend which could indicate that Joss and the cast
may only continue through Season Seven (contracts or no contracts).
Yes, Joss is going to be busy with Firefly, but Fox also made a point of
getting Marti under contract as well. Anything could be possible, including
many variations on the Slayer theme (BTVS: The Next Generation or
maybe just Slayer - Okay, I'm half kidding here, but I can't imagine that
shows dealing with future or past Slayers haven't been at least
considered). While I hope that Firefly is a success, we should remember
Fox's history with Sci-Fi series. Even Chris Carter (creator of the X-Files)
had two series canned within weeks of their debut. For every X-Files and
Dark Angel, there's about 10 series that don't make it. The good news is
that as long as the show gets the ratings Fox is looking to grab, it could
settle in for a long run. Once a show makes it past the first season with
Fox, that's usually a good sign. They also seem reluctant to let go of
series either - just look at the run that The Simpson's has had.
8:49 PM
Saturday, April 20, 2002
Saturday Update - Reset Spoilers, Seeing Red
Controversial Spoilers
In the past, when I've come across spoilage that seems to dispute
reliable sources, I've usually hesitated before posting it here.
Sometimes the sources are quickly proven to be false (such as the
person who posted about Buffy smashing her headstone with a
sledgehammer), other times it's a matter of seeing how quick the
spoiler spreads. If there comes a time where it's being passed around
other sites as actual spoilage, that's when I'll take a hard look at
ranking it.
For the past month or so, I've been keeping my eye on a source
posting at the Kitten Board, looking for anything that could back up the
claims that are being made. Although the spoilers haven't spread
beyond the Kitten Board, I have received more than a few e-mails
about them. With the information coming to light this week from
Partyman and DrLloyd (who I should point out are Kitten Board
regulars), along with the revised UPN summaries, I think it's time that I
addressed these spoilers.
As most of you are probably already aware, Ed the Spoiler has posted
information on the final run of episodes that does not fit what we have
been hearing from reliable sources. The original post was made shortly
after we got solid confirmation of Tara's death.
The issue gets a bit more complex, because there are posts that Ed
disputes as being ones that he made. If you don't register, anyone can
post under your name. Usually identity can be verified by IP addresses,
but even different IP's can't guarantee that it's not the same person (I
actually could post with about 10 different IP's currently). IP or not, in
follow-ups to the spoilers, the fake-Ed imitated to perfection the
real-Ed's punctuation and phrasing, somehow I don't think a hoaxer is
going to put that much work into it. I'd also point out that when
challenged on these spoilers later, rather than restating that fake-Ed
had posted them, he inferred that they were indeed his comments.
So lets look at what Ed (real or fake) had to say...
Episode 18
Xander discovers a camera and has a run in with Spike. Buffy defends
him and this causes spike to demand that Buffy tell everyone about
them. Anya ends up going to spike who's the only person she knows
who "hates" xander, gets drunk and does sleep with him. he gang
sees it, and Xander mentions breaking up with her over it. Anya
decides to return to being a vengence demon again after egged on by
Halfrek and D'Hoffryn, but there is a big condition attached to it. The
nerds discuss and begin their plan to kill Buffy (much to the horror of
Jonathon). The scoobs (including dawn) end up learning about Buffy's
affair with spike and it leads to a huge arguement.
Episode 19
Buffy breaks up the nerds plans and they summon a demon to try to
distract her. Anya is almost killed by the demon but is saved by Xander
and in a tender moment wonders whether or not he still loves her and
is obviously worried about her recent choice (it doesnt end that way
though because Xander is really vicious over the sex with Spike thing
and she ends up granting WARREN'S wish). The nerds are arrested for
theft and murder, but Warren escapes. Willow and Tara decide that
they have been apart too long and reconcile, however, after willow
leaves Tara in bed, a trap that Warren had lain for Buffy goes off and
kills Tara while she's alone.
Episode 20
After finding Tara dead, Willow loses it and goes to "Rack" for help in
bringing Tara back to life, but there is no way and Willow decides that
nothing and noone will stop her from killing Warren. Buffy is worried
that Dawn will get caught in the crossfire and tries to pawn her off on
Spike, but she learns that he's left town. Willow goes on a rampage
and ends up killing several innocent people (though Buffy and Xander
both try to stop her) and ends up destroying Warren but find outs he's
a decoy. Spike has his chip removed in an attempt to prove to Buffy
that he can redeem himself and be good WITHOUT the use of it. But,
can he?
Episode 21
Buffy tries to stop Willow, but she has literally gone insane with power.
Things in Sunnydale really begin to resemble hell on earth and Spike
returns
BAD bent on killing Buffy for "castrating" him. Buffy calls Giles,
desperate for help with Willow and the Warren situation and he agrees
to come back.
Willow finds the real Warren and tortures him to the point he wishes
he were dead. Spike goes after Buffy thru the one person he can,
DAWN, and vamps her.
Episode 21
Giles arrives and finds everything has gone to Hell. Willow's powers
cause her to go supernova blowing out half the town, but she warns
Buffy in time for her and giles to get far enough away.
Buffy learns of what happened with Spike vows to kill Spike, but begs
Giles to deal with Dawn because she cant. Buffy confronts Spike. Giles
dusts Dawn. Giles arrives during the battle between Buffy and Spike
and ends up getting his neck broken, Buffy is mortally wounded but kills
Spike. Xander lays bleeding to death as Anya goades him saying that
all this happened because of him and Xander (who doesnt know that
she accepted the Vengence Demon offer) sees what happened and
that she's the cause of it all when she reverts to her true self. He tells
her that he loves her, that she isnt a demon no matter what she looks
like and dies. Anya destroys her pendant and the world shifts.
I'd also offer for consideration, the comments that he made on March 12
on the Kitten Board (combined from several posts)
Wait and you will see that:
1) Tara does not die
2) She gets back together with Willow after having a fairly short emotional
conversation about love/trust.
3) Things get SERIOUSLY f*cked for the scoobs in the last 2 episodes with
SEVERAL of them "dying"
4) They all live to Season 7 after Anya sacrafices herself to save Xander.
If you don't believe it, have faith, wait and see.
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What I am saying is that Tara is not the "Big Scooby Death" of the season.
In fact, if she were then Buffy, Spike, Dawn, and Willow would also fall into
that category as all of them "die" by the end of episode 22.
Something does happen to Tara but its not permanent and occurs after a
wish that Anya grants Warren and huge fight between him and Buffy.
As you can see, while there are a few things that fit what we've heard
from reliable sources, a great deal does not. There are also things that
have been posted which have been proven or nearly proven false (i.e.:
Tara not dying and Anya granting a wish to Warren).
Yes, you did read that correctly, it appears that Warren's super strength
has nothing to do with a wish granted by Anya (more on this in a
moment).
What it comes down to is whom should we put our faith in? Angel X,
DrLloyd, Wendy, Partyman, and Fraz (who are all reliable sources), or Ed
(who has basically disputed everything the others have said)?
It all ties back into what has come out this week. I have no real reason to
doubt anything that Partyman or DrLloyd have posted or passed along. It
echoes the information from the Shooting Location Reports and from
various other sources. It even fits the UPN summaries that obviously
aren't faked or a hoax.
While I hesitate to mark some of the spoilers that came out this week as
'likely', they make much more sense than everyone dying and a
reset/reversal taking place. While not a true cliffhanger, the season is
going to end with all of the characters dealing with the choices that they
made throughout the course of the season. This also ties in with the 'Oh,
Grow Up' theme. It also means that Season Seven could be an entire new
beginning for all of the characters (as much as I liked the couples, it's
highly unusual for any relationship to survive more than a couple of
seasons on TV, especially when it comes to dramas). Does this mean that
we won't see Amber Benson or Tara on the show again? Right now, I
would say it's possible, but like the early spoilers of her demise, I haven't
seen anything solid that would prove it one way or another. She is a
well-liked character, but so were Joyce, Jenny and Angel. Anything is
possible when it comes to the show.
The main issue that I have with Ed's spoilers is that they are giving the
fans of Willow and Tara false hope. I appreciate what the Willow and Tara
fans are going through. I happen to be a fan of couple myself and I really
do feel it unfair her death is required to trigger Willow's descent into
Big-Badness. Then again, I also have to consider that life isn't fair, and
technically Joyce really didn't deserve to die either. But in the same vein as
not wanting to give false hope by confirming false the 'Tara dies' spoiler (I
was pressured earlier this season to do so), I'm not going to rank a
'reset/reversal' as even 'possible' at this point. I just think it's safe to say
that at this point, I'm going to stick with the sources that have proven
themselves. If Ed is correct and there is a 'reset/reversal' at season's end,
I'll be more than happy to add him to the list of Unsung Heroes (and eat a
little crow as well).
You Didn't Think I'd Forget
Onto the question of 'Where Did Warren Get SuperPowers'. Although this
is a rehash of the original UPN summaries (including the spelling of a
certain characters name - which I've corrected here), this should be the
final summary for 'Seeing Red'.
Seeing Red
After creating a weapon that gives the trio super human powers Warren
goes after Buffy. During a grueling battle Buffy breaks the orb that gives
Warren his power. Warren escapes but Jonathan and Andrew are thrown
in jail. And a shocking turn of events puts the lives of two of the members
in danger.
I just think this pretty much proves that Warren's powers come from
something other than a wish.
