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Date Posted: 17:19:03 01/09/02 Wed
Author: multiple
Subject: The last Sunday message - SLee defends himself
In reply to: rsqarchive 's message, "January 2001" on 10:32:30 01/09/02 Wed


Author: ChicagoX
Subject: The last Sunday message - SLee defends himself

Last Sunday's message was a vehicle for SLee to push his agenda and defend himself as usual. The title was "The Kingdom of God and Children" from Mark 10:13-31, with 10:15 as the key verse. In it he not-so-subtly attacks reform-minded people as not having the pure and trusting attitude of children.

Here's a relevant passage:

(quote)
If we think about children's purity, it is indeed heart-moving. The exemplary person in the United States in purity is definitely President Abraham Lincoln. ... he was very pure in his childhood. He worked hard during the daytime and supported his family. He also helped his mother by doing housework. He did not go to school regularly. ... He was once a post office manager in a deep mountain village. At that time, his job was not such a good job. Not many of those who received letters sent letters. So his office was never busy enough to be a post office. But he saved all the money the post office earned for ten years, and he sent it back to the main post office.
So he was greatly admired as a man of pure heart. I heard from an American medical doctor called Dietrich many slandering stories about Abraham Lincoln. The doctor said in installing a railroad station he became a multi-millionaire by taking government money. But nobody believes his impurity. Matthew 5:8 says, "Blessed are the pure in heart, for they will see God."
(quote)

I've cut the parts of the paragraph where SLee subtly tries to draw parallels between himself and Abraham Lincoln in terms of educational background. Like Lincoln, he's also saving up a bunch of money, and like Lincoln, he'll give it all back or put it to good use for us. We should just trust his pure heart and his conscience and not listen to "slander" from impure people about his getting rich at others' expense. Pure-hearted people don't listen to "slander." To the pure, everything is pure, etc. The problem is, first, he's no Abraham Lincoln, and second, it's not just one or two people "slandering" him to sell a controversial
book. It's a large crowd of the hurt and wounded and witnesses to his corruption whose trust he has broken.

Here's another relevant passage:

(quote)
But these days, after drinking the poison of relativism, there are many impure people. One pastor in Evanston divorced his wife and married a young woman. But he keeps on ministering in the church. As long as he is honest in finances, the church members don't say anything about his divorce and remarriage. What a wretched world it is because of impurity.
(quote)

Here, SLee is sounding very defensive, complaining how a divorced Evanston pastor is trusted just because "he is honest in finances." My immediate response as I heard this passage was, "Well, then, why don't you try to be better than the Evanston pastor by being honest with church fiances?"

Also, from his response to reform so far SLee seems to think that the reformers are interested solely in the money issue. There was that New Year's letter with the bank statements and
now this message. It gives me a hint of what is really important to SLee. Yes, the money is what's really important to SLee. But the money is not even half the issue with the reformers.

He figures that since he's "everybody's spiritual father" we should just pure-heartedly trust him absolutely. Unfortunately, not even Paul demanded that of his spiritual children. Only God can demand that of his children. Only God can claim that in everything he works for the good of those who love him (Romans 8:28). We can't absolutely trust a man because he is just a sinful, fallen man and because he's broken peoples' trust in him again and again.

Coincidentally, he also used the message to again boost the image of his son by telling a story of the beautiful bond of trust between a father (himself) and his son.

Author: Stephen Douglas
Subject: Re: The last Sunday message - SLee defends himself

I think it the height of temerity that a person with such antipathywowards democracy, equality and unity would seek to identify with such a noble and prestigeous man as Abraham Lincoln.

Lincoln would look disapprovingly on the high-handed unaccountable autocracy found in UBF. President Lincoln would do everything in his legal power to SAVE THE UNION, not allow it to fall apart out of pride and arrogance. Yet we read that the olive branch of peace which reformers extended has been trampled under foot and it has become alone a single person's will to "divide the union."

No sir, there is no comparison of our present leader(s) with that noble and honorable man. May God raise up men like him though!

Here are some nice quotes from Lincoln:

"You can fool some of the people some of the time and all of the people some of the time, but you can't fool all of the people all of the time."

â~@~\Nearly all men can stand adversity, but if you want to test a man's character, give him
power. â~@~\

"Public sentiment is everything. With public sentiment, nothing can fail; without it nothing can succeed."

"Fourscore and seven years ago our fathers brought forth on this continent a new nation, conceived in liberty and dedicated to the proposition that all men are created equal."

"...that we here highly resolve that these dead shall not have died in vain; that this nation shall have a new birth of freedom; and that this government of the people, by the people, for the people, shall not perish from the earth.â~@~]

"My paramount object in this struggle is to save the Union, and is not either to save or to destroy slavery. If I could save the Union without freeing any slave I would do it, and if I could save it by freeing all the slaves I would do it; and if I could save it by freeing some and leaving others alone I would also do that. What I do about slavery, and the colored race, I do because I believe it helps to save the Union; and what I forbear, I forbear because
I do not believe it would help to save the Union. I shall do less whenever I shall believe what I am doing hurts the cause, and I shall do more whenever I shall believe doing more will help the cause."

"We are not enemies, but friends. We must not be enemies. Though passion may have strained it must not break our bonds of affection. The mystic chords of memory, stretching from every battlefield and patriot grave to every living heart and hearthstone all over this broad land, will yet swell the chorus of the Union, when again touched, as surely they will be, by the better angels of our nature."

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