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Date Posted: 15:55:39 01/09/02 Wed
Author: multiple
Subject: Can UBF be considered part of the Body?
In reply to: rsqarchive 's message, "January 2001" on 10:32:30 01/09/02 Wed


Author: Tony
Subject: Can UBF be considered part of the Body?

I wanted to post this topic because of a growing concern I have been having about the present UBF and the future of UBF. One undeniable attribute of the present UBF is that, atleast in America, it is not involved with any other church at all. There are no joint conferences, no guest pastors, no outside body of observers, and students art actually encouraged not to really be involved with any outside church. Instead the are sometimes pushed to "take root" in UBF so they can grow, and stay out of other churches. Now the question I ask is 'Is this really a healthy way to run a church? And moreover is this truly a Biblical way to run a church?' I think the answer is a sipmle and resolute no, atleast in my opinion.

Can UBF really be considewred part of the body of Christ if it is so visibly disconnected? Also I have not heard any of the reformers stress this point at all. Do they want to stay disconnected and just replace the leadership? I hope not!

If UBF wants to be changed its going to need a
lot of help and counseling from outside churches, including American ones (God forbid!). Many people have been disconnected from Christian society so long they don't really know how or want to be connected anyway, but is this what God wants?

I hope that when the UBF reform takes place, and it will, this will be at the top of the list for needed repentance. They will have to swollow their pride and throw away the standard UBF elitist attitudes, and "eat some humble pie."

Author: Friend
Subject: Re: Can UBF be considered part of the Body?

That is an important issue. I think much of the trouble in UBF comes from its isolation from other evangelical, Bible based Christian groups. Samuel Lee made some attempts to make connections with some outside groups. For example IVCF, and also with Trinity Evangelical Divinity School. However, when he saw how open the communication and how difuse and democratic the leadership was he retreated out of fear.

Perhaps it was just window dressing? Anyway, people like Ruth Tucker and people like Dr. Robert Coleman, (see http://www.ubf.org/intro/view_2.htm) have actually defended UBF in the past. However, I don't know if Samuel Lee would like them to come to his defense right now in light of recent events. Perhaps they should be called in if nothing more to update their views on UBF.

However, I think UBF needs to look at good, conservative, evangelical, Bible based ministries and learn from them. It would break up the isolation, and myopicity that is figuratively shaking UBF to pieces. Its
a shame too, because UBF has lots to offer. I think it has among the best Bible study teachers anywhere.

UBF zeal and discipline combined with American democracy and freedom would be sooooo powerful!

Author: Anon
Subject: Robert Coleman

Dr. Robert E. Coleman
Director
School of World Mission and Evangelism,
Trinity Evangelical Divinity School in Deerfield, Illinois, USA.



University Bible Fellowship is an evangelical fellowship and has made great contributions to campus mission in Korea.
It has never tried to display its activity to others but already has sent 1,356 self-supporting missionaries to more than 86 countries in the world.
As a silent Bible study movement, it has a sound and Biblical view on the world situation. This Fellowship and our Fellowship, that is Campus Crusade for Christ, have characteristics in common and help each other in doing campus evangelical work in Korean campuses.
Considering the great contributions of U.B.F. in the moral education of campus students, raising up spiritual leaders for the future, enhancing the national glory in sending out missionaries, and the number and quality of the leaders already raised up, I am sure that U.B.F. will continue to contribute to the
campus evangelical movement in Korea as well as to the national glory.

Director School of World Mission and Evangelism, Trinity Evangelical Divinity School in Deerfield, Illinois, USA

Author: Anon
Subject: Re: Robert Coleman

I posted the Coleman text to show how UBF AT ONE time in fact tried to make bridges to other Christian groups. COLEMAN'S LETTER IS VERY OLD AND SHOULD NOT BE CONSIDERED A CURRENT REFLECTION OF HIS THOUGHT! However, I think it is interesting and would like to hear his advice to UBF. Does anyone have his email address? I couldn't find it.

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