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Date Posted: 16:29:27 05/05/17 Fri
Interesting polls about events in childhood, teenhood and adulthood
Collected, edited and analyzed by Knut Holt
aquila_grande@yahoo.no
Please also see his websites with interesting information about alternative treatments, fitness and sex
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You can use these polls to tell your own history or the history of someone you know about.
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Alien abduction - investigation of memories of alien abduction or similar events
Memories of events that may be interpreted as alien abduction are quite common. Some may be from real abduction by non-human beings coming in strange flying vehicles.
Others may be actions done by governmental agencies or mafias for various purposes that have some of the same type of details.
Often one does not remember the abduction as such, but one remembers only some loose details during some kind of ordeal one has been subjected to.
I have made a poll to investigate these memories. If you have experienced something of the kind, please go to the poll and answar. All the answars will be lain out in the massage forum of the poll to be commented further upon.
The address of the poll:
http://www.misterpoll.com/polls/616524
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Extended mandatory well-child examination under anesthesia:
In certain areas the health authorities has begun to subject children and teens to extended well-child physicals where one performs several or all of the following procedures: inspections with optical scopes through all or several body openings,ultrasound examinations of most body structures, x-ray taking of joints, EEG and EKG. The kid is often given sedation or even general anesthesia during these extended physicals to make the kid cooperative and to hinder him or her from remembering. Still the kid will remember a lot of details around the procedures and sometimes also from the procedures themselves, because anesthesia never works perfectly, and the kid will always have some symptoms afterwards that tell a lot of what has been done. This poll has the aim of investigating experiences from such ordeals.
http://www.misterpoll.com/polls/611395
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Poll about cystoscopy:
By cystoscopy the doctor looks into your bladder with a long instrument. This instrument can be rigid like a stick or flexible. All age groups have cystoscopies. In some comunities a cystoscopy seem to be a mandatory exam at some ages of children and teens. These communities are probably not many yet, but this type of exam seem to increase in frequency, both for special purposes and for mandatory or recomended screening. This poll has the purpose of establishing a picture of the frequence of this type of exam in different age groups and the arrangements during the exam.
http://www.misterpoll.com/polls/615327
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Secret medical exams and procedures under anesthesia:
There is growing indices pointing to a practice of doing secret exams and procedures on both children and adults in addition to the thing they are under anesthesia for. Such ordeals may be done for research, for trainging of medical students, ordered by child protective agencies, ordered by school health service, ordered by police or asked for by parents or relatives. This poll is to find out how common signs of such secret ordeals having been done are. This poll has beenlaunched in several sesseions.
http://www.misterpoll.com/polls/608976
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Called in for a strange physical or psycological exam:
Children, teens and adults are sometimes called in to undergo medical exams and procedures they do not know they need. Often these exams are very extensive with endoscopic inspections through body openings, ex-ray and ultrasound of several body areas, testing with electronic equipment and a lot more. Often the person is given anesthesia to be unconscious during all or parts of the procedure. If you or your children have been called in for something like this, please tell about it through this poll.
http://www.misterpoll.com/polls/605807
All the polls also have a message board. The individual stories of each participant will be published here. Here you can add comments or ask questions.
Knut Holt
aquila_grande@yahoo.no
Please also see his website with interesting information about alternative treatments, fitness and sex
http://www.abicana.com/health_information.htm
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Girl, 9yo, Western Europe, Heart catheterization
I am a female. I was a school-aged child, 9 yearsold, in 1980, western Europe.
I was examined in a hospital. My parents took me to the exam. A team of a doctor and nurse did the exam.
THE EXAM THEY PERFORMED:
They examined my blood vessels or heart with a catheter inserted into a blood vessel. I do not know any other exam done.
ANESTHESIA AND ARRANGEMENTS:
I was given pain-killing or sedative shots. I was then totally put to sleep. I was totally naked.
First I got a shot in my butt to calm me down, then put me to sleep by mask.
THE REASON FOR THE EXAM:
What do you think was the reason for this exam? Heart disease.
OTHER OBSERVATIONS:
They put me in a diaper.
COMMENTS
What happened was that they put a catheter up to the heart, injected contrast fluids and took x-ray pictures. The catheter was probably inserted through a vessel in the arm or the shoulder area, but it could possible also have been inserted high up in a thigh or the groin area.
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Boy, North A, intimate endoscopy at school, bladder dysfunction, treatment with catheter
I am a male. I was a school-aged child. Year 2011, In North America. I was examined in the medical section of a private school. I walked to the exam room early followed by the school nurse. A visiting doctor and a visiting nurse did the exam aided by the school nurse.
Exam overview:
They did an orthopedic exam. They examined my genitals. They examined my rectal zone. They did a general examination of my pelvic zones. They inserted instruments into my urinary opening. They inserted some kind of tubular scope inside my urinary opening.They inserted instruments into my rectal opening. They used an ultrasound sound through my anus. They took ultrasound pictures of the examined areas.
Anesthesia and arrangements:
I was given anesthesia into the blood-stream. I was sedated but mostly sleeping. I was naked at the examined body parts and at my genital/rectal zone, but elsewere clothed. During the exam I lay straight at my back first and then in stirrups.
Exam sequence:
First clothes taken off. Then had to go to the toilet. Then visual inspection and palpation of pelvic zones. Then they inserted a scope through my urethra and used it for more than 30 minutes. Eventually I was lifted onto a coach and lay with a blanket over me until I was fully awake. At last I was allowed to take on clothes and my parents came and took me home in a car.
Psychological test:
Two days before I had a long psychological test.
Urinary and genital exam details:
They inserted a scope to look into my bladder. They used a flexible scope in my bladder. They palpated my outer male genitals and testicles. They slid down my foreskin and spread my urinary opening. They performed a ultrasound exam on my genitals, including my testicles. They examined my my prostate with an ultrasound sond into my anus. They palpated my prostate with a finger into my rectum.
Rectal exam datails:
They spread my cheeks and examined extarnally my rectal zone. They examined my rectum with an inserted finger. They inserted a speculum into my anus to examine it internally. They examined my rectum with an ultrasound sond.
Strange observations:
I was called in for quite another thing, but they also examined my genital and urinary zone.","They said they should examine my stomach. Someone came and performed a psychological test even though I was called in for quite another thing.
Reason and judgement:
What do you think was the reason for this exam? I was surprised.
Arrangement after the exam:
They used a catheter to collect urine. After the exam I had a catheter when waiting for the sedation to go away.
Diagnosis and treatment:
The exam resulted in this diagnosis: They called the diagnosis bladder dysfunction. I had to have a catheter when I was sleeping each night during 3 years. My parents managed it.
COMMENTS
In many private schools children's behavior, development and health are monitored much more detailled than in public schools. There also tend to be a thight cooperation between the parents and the school to manage the behavior and health. Any kind of deviation from a strict normality scheme will typically be noted, then result in psychological examinations, then physical examination, and eventual treatment to manage the deviation. A pelvic exam with a thorrough inner urogenital and anal inspection will typically be done.
In some private schools all boys and girls will be subjected to such exams at specific age levels. I suspect this school did this with many of the children or even all of them, but without informing generally about it.
Surprizingly often the exam result in some kind of management of the genital and urinary functions of the child, like intalling catheter during night, and in some cases even have the child catheterized permanently for periods to help emptying of the bladder completely and to hinder sleep disturbanses or behavior deviations due to an incompletely emptied bladder.
What was called bladder dysfunction, could also be caused by problems with urination caused by uncontrollble erections, which is fairly frequent in boys when they enter puberty, or the sexual reactions of the boy was not tollerated by the parents or school.
It is therefore possible that the catheter had the purpose of calming down the sexual reactions of the boy by means of medication smeared onto the catheter or delivered through the catheter.
It is also possible that this catheterization procedure was used as a standard in this school for all boys that showed certain bahaviour symptoms, or even for all children as a general means of managing intimate behavior of the children during the preteen and earliest teenage period.
I wonder if this school was either a montessori school or a school where ballet or gymnastic was a special or big subject on the curriculum, since these kind of schools tend to use such kind of arrangement.
Knut Holt
aquila_grande@yahoo.no
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A FEW OF THE HISTORIES COLLECTED
Man, 70-79yo, North America, Cystoscopy combined with sigmoidoscopy
I had cystoscopy - I am male. The exam took place in North America, Year 2011, when I was 70 -79 years old.
Had cystoscopy in a health centre. Got an accurate explanation of what should be done and the reason.
Given enema at home before going. A doctor came, asked questions and explained. God lubricating and pain-killing fluid inserted in through the pee-hole.
They put a rigid stick-like cystoscope in through the urethra. They also inspected anus with a scope.
No special arrangements afterwards.
The reason was urinary infection. It was useful.
COMMENTS
Cystoscopy and sigmoidiscopy that the man probably also had at the same time are simple procedures that do not require other anesthesia that some painkilling lubrication, and combined with a gentle approach, to hinder most discomort, if it is only for inspection, which this example shows.
Knut Holt
http://www.abicana.com/health_information.htm
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Girl, 16yo, Finland, abucted and tested with other kids at a hike to a sauna
I am female. It happend in Finland when I was 16 yo, at a sauna in a relatively remote area. I was going with several of my friends who were all teenagers or kids. After sitting in the sauna for a while, we went outside for a swim in the cold water, as usual.
HOW IT ALL BEGAN
I saw an alien-looking flying vehicle that approahced me. Also a boat came towards me. Some alien-looking being appeared by me, but I did not see where they came from.
I say it was a "boat"" but it was an alien craft of some kind, on the water. It looked totally unfamiliar. The aliens came out through a hatch and swam towards us. They were very fast and seemed to be aquatic in nature.
They carried me away. They floated me into the vehicle through a door. They also took with them other persons, kids, teenagers and adults, together with me.
They just grabbed us with their weird cold alien limbs and swam very fast, we couldn't break their grip. They got me and all my friends and took us inside. It was somewhat dark inside and very humid, and the walls were all ridged like siding on a house.
PREPARATIONS
The preparation occured in the same room where I entered the vehicle.
They washed me. They emptied my bladder with a device covering my urinary opening. They emptied my colon with a device covering my anus. They let me sit waiting after the preparation at a sort of chair. When waiting I was strapped down, I had some device at my urinary opening to keep me empty and at my anus to keep me empty, and a mask over my mouth and nose.
I saw kids and teenage people being prepared together with me.
The steam in the air was very thick but it was cold. We were all already naked because we were swimming outside the sauna. Everyone else was being put into similar chairs with masks over their faces and equipment over their lower areas just like me.
They smeared a jelly substance over our groins, armpits, legs, and eyebrows and put what looked like seaweed over those areas, pulled it off and removed all the body hair. They left the hair on our head alone though.
TESTING OF REACTIONS
I was kept in the same room as before before the tests.
They staged sexual scenes or handlings and tested my reactions. They monitored my reactions with devices at different body parts. They tested my reaction with devices at my pelvic area, genitals or rectal zone.
They put a large piston-like device at my vagina and it started ramming inside me hard. This continued for the whole ordeal. I saw something similar happening to other girls but I was too distracted to see what they did to males. I heard everyone making various sounds, lots of screaming. There were strips of seaweed-like material sticking to my body at different points, I think those were measuring things? There was also a cup put below my genitals collecting any fluid.
EXAMINATIONS AT BODY ZONES
I was still in the same room
They looked at and felt on my head, face. mouth, eyes, ears and nose. They put instruments into my ears. They put instruments into my nose. They put instruments into my mouth and down into my throut. They put instruments through my mouth and all the way into my stomach. They put instruments through my mouth and down towards my lungs.
They touched all parts of my body with the seaweed strips and seemed to take measurements periodically. Then they would change my position and put them in new places. I had the piston pushing into my sex the whole time.
They looked and felt at my breast. They looked and felt at my stomach. They looked and felt at my back." At one point there were tiny suction tubes put on my nipples, but they took them off pretty quickly. The rest of me just got the seaweed put on it. There was a tight rope or cord put around my ribcage at one point and tightened til it hurt, then removed.
They looked at and felt at my limbs and joints. They tested my joints by bending, flexing, spreading and twisting my legs, arms, hands and feet in all thinkable direction.
They examined my limbs and joints in other ways. I was put into many different positions throughout. They also put a cord around my ankle at one point, they left this one on and tight for a long while. They attached a lot of the seaweed to the palms of my hands and soles of my feet.
They looked at and felt at my intimate area. They examined At the beginning there was some of the seaweed like material put into my openings but after that it was just the piston machine. It was in there for hours. They tried stretching me out, curling me up, folding in about every direction, but mostly on my back and on my stomach with legs dangling off the chair.
After my first orgasm, a piece of that seaweed was put on my clitoris and held there by one of the aliens. they left it there but didn't pay it much more attention after I had a second orgasm, and after that I didn't have any more, they just kept pounding that machine into my vagina.
HOW IT ENDED AND I GOT BACK
I started hearing less noise and realized a lot of people were passing out. The tube on my mouth suddenly sucked out the air and I couldn't breathe. They put seaweed strips over my eyes so I couldn't see. I blacked out after a little while. All I could hear was gurgling sounds and something like frog croaking noises.
I do not remember how I got back, but I woke up at the place where they took me. I woke up on the shore with my friend rubbing me and trying to wake me up. Everyone else was there on the shore, some awake, some still passed out.
Like I said, we never had clothes on in the first place because we were swimming outside the sauna.
SYMPTOMS AFTER THE ORDEAL
I felt tired and drawsy when I was back. I had headache after the ordeal. My joints and msucles were aching. I blead or had discharge from my vagina. I felt totally empty in my stomach as if all the contents in my intestines had been flushed out.
The younger kids seemed to be fine more or less, only us older teenagers seemed wiped out. Of course everyone was still missing their body hair and eyebrows, but it grew back. It was pretty traumatic but I didn't end up afraid of swimming, I just worried about going out too far that I couldn't swim back quickly if they came again. It was also very frustrating that most people didn't believe our story, but half our group refused to talk about it.
COMMENTS
The story contains details you never hear about in the abduction stories you can read in the media. But other abdiction accounts I have, have similar details.
The big question is of the kids were abducted by real aliens, or by some government or supergovernment project.
The swimming beings behaved like navy soldiers. The flying vehicle could have been a drone they used to have oversight. The drone possibly also sent out waves that paralyzed the kids to a certain extent so that they were easy to capture.
The boat could just be some military kind of boat.
The story tells about children and teens being aqbducted, but adults were also metioned. Those adults could gave been doctors or nurses.
Nearly all the equipment told about are in standard use in health centers where kids are examined.
The pistonlike thing used in the vagina is something used on kids in certain scientific projects and is as such a standard device even though it is not used normally for examination and treatment.
The seaweedlike material seems to be something they used to absorbe secretions for testing in a laboratory. This is the only material I have never read about before.
It appears that there was anestetic gas in the air inside the boat so that the kid got in a sedated state as soon as they had entered.
It seems like the kids were then howd in a sedated state by gas they got through the mask, and later by tubes into their throut. But this is also a standard method for making kids cooperative in hospital settings. This state probably made the experience seem more alienlike than it was in reality.
One can never be sure, but likely the kids were abducted by a secret project for surveillance and experimentation on children and teens.
Knut Holt
http://www.abicana.com/health_information.htm
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Boy, 8yo-16yo, North America, faulty bladder augmentation resulting in many new ordeals
It happened At schoolage 6-9, as preteen 10-12 and as early teen 13-16, in North America, in 2010 and later. I had an exam or surgery in my stomach area. I had a procedure in my upper stomach with instruments through my mouth.
PREPARATIONA AND ANESTEHSIA
I was given sedative medicines through my mouth. I was given medication intravenously. They gave me gas through a mask. I had a mask and IVs for the anesthesia. The procedure happened in a hospital.
ABOUT THE PROCEDURES
I've had a few surgeries since I was about 10 to find out the cause of some stomach problems I've had. My first surgery was when I was 8 and I had to have a piece of my intestine removed and used to make my bladder bigger. When I was 12 I started getting pain in my belly and they took a look at me in the operating room with some scopes down my throat and up my butt they couldn't find anything wrong with me.
When I was 13 they decided to take my appendix out to see if that was the cause it wasn't. When I was 14 they took out my gallbladder which didn't do anything. Finally when I was 16 a doctor did an open laperotomy on me and found that they had twisted a bit of my intestine when they had put it back together after my first surgery.
They needed to find out what was wrong with me. My mom drove me for all of them.
After my last one they told me what they had found. I had a lot of testes and MRI and cat scans done as well. It was a various ages all in a local children's hospital.
I'm perfectly fine now and want to be a pediatric general surgeon now.
ARRANGEMENTS AFTER THE PROCEURES
Yeah I had a few IVS, I don't really know what they all were. No breathing tube, just a mask, Catheter after all of my surgeries. Heartbeat monitor. They were all really nice to me. I did not waje up as far as I can remember but sometimes I dream about being awake during my last one.
SYMPTOMS AND OBSERVATIONS AFTER THE PROCEDURES
I had pain, irritition or other problems in my mouth. I had pain, irritation or other problems in my respiratory tract or lungs. I had pain, irritation or other problems in my urethra or bladder. I had pain or irritation in my esophagus or upper stomach. My underwear beng messed up or other signs that I had been stripped naked at my lower body.","
Some procedures took at least twice as long as expected befor I wake up. My last surgery was the longest as they had started doing it lsprscopic but the doctor couldn't find anything wrong so he opened me up.
COMMENTS
All surgeries have a risk that things are not done quite right wich results in problems later, that often are greater than the problems it was meant to fix. This is often ignored by the medical profession and one does things with children that should not be done when the possible usefulness is weigted up against the risks. It is difficult to know from this story if the original problems they meant to fix by the first surgery were greate nough to make the surgery valid, but I have the feeling that this was not so, and it resulted in a lot of new problems and unneccesary procedures.
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