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Date Posted: 09:20:40 10/25/04 Mon
Author: Anonymous
Subject: lo! where did this mess come from??
In reply to: GO KERRY!!! GO KERRY!!! GO KERRY!! 's message, "BUSH-VS-KERRY" on 16:32:16 10/24/04 Sun

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>COME ON AMERICA!! -- No name, 10/24/04 6:24pm
>
>AWWWW..just gotta say GO Kerry! bush has told 1 too
>many lies to us, you know America was scared to death
>when Kennedy went in, and then when he was taken out
>so sadley, they knew what we had lost. for as long as
>i can remember the rep party has been for the "rich"
>man...now if you are rich you should probably go vote
>bush, but if you are a working southern man or woman
>you will find in 4 year you will probably be better
>off with a deomcrat in that white house. did any of
>you see the lump or hump whatever you want to call it
>in bush's back during the debates? well i just gave
>him the benefit of the doubt and thought yeah, he has
>on a bullet proof vest...but now the new media says it
>was a wire to help prompt him. how sad....he says he
>will not reinstate the draft...did you hear the news
>tonight??? well look out mom's they said it is coming
>back if bush stay there. let's get him out of the
>white house and bring our boys and girls home! we
>don't need our kids over there fighting for an oil
>well!
>
>
>Just had to share this -- No name, 10/23/04 9:00am
>
>A very thought-provoking article...
>This Election Determines Fate of the Nation
>
>This Article appeared in the Daily Record (Ellensburg,
>Washington paper) on Wed. Oct. 6, 2004. It was written
>by Mathew Manweller who is a Central Washington
>University political science professor.
>
>The title of the article was "Election determines fate
>of nation."
>
>"In that this will be my last column before the
>presidential election there will be no sarcasm, no
>attempts at witty repartee. The topic is too
>serious,and the stakes are too high. This November we
>will vote in the only election during our lifetime
>that will truly matter. Because America is at a
>once-in-a-generation crossroads, more than an election
>hangs in the balance.
>
>Down one path lies retreat, abdication and a reign of
>ambivalence. Down the other lies a nation that is
>aware of its past and accepts the daunting obligation
>its future demands. If we choose poorly, the
>consequences will echo through the next 50 years of
>history. If we, in a spasm of frustration, turn out
>the current occupant of the White House, the message
>to the world and ourselves will be twofold. First, we
>will reject the notion that America can do big things.
>
>Once a nation that tamed a frontier, stood down the
>Nazis and stood upon the moon, we will announce to the
>world that bringing democracy to the Middle East is
>too big of a task for us. But more significantly, we
>will signal to future presidents that as voters, we
>are unwilling to tackle difficult challenges,
>preferring caution to boldness, embracing the
>mediocrity that has characterized other civilizations.
>
>The defeat of President Bush will send a chilling
>message to future presidents who may need to make
>difficult, yet unpopular decisions. America has always
>been a nation that rises to the demands of history
>regardless of the costs or appeal. If we turn away
>from that legacy, we turn away from who we are.
>Second, we inform every terrorist organization on the
>globe that the lesson of Somalia was well learned. In
>Somalia we showed terrorists that you don't need to
>defeat America on the battlefield when you can defeat
>them in the newsroom.
>
>They learned that a wounded America can become a
>defeated America. Twenty-four-hour news stations and
>daily tracing polls will do the heavy lifting, turning
>a cut into a fatal blow. Except that Iraq is Somalia
>times 10. The election of John Kerry will serve notice
>to every terrorist in every cave that the soft
>underbelly of American power is the timidity of
>American voters.
>
>Terrorists will know that a steady stream of grizzly
>photos for CNN is all you need to break the will of
>the American people. Our own self-doubt will take it
>from there.
>
>Bin Laden will recognize that he can topple any
>American administration without setting foot on the
>homeland
>
>It is said that America's W.W.II generation is its
>'greatest generation.' But my greatest fear is that it
>will become known as America's 'last generation.' Born
>in the bleakness of the Great Depression and hardened
>in the fire of WWII, they may be the last American
>generation that understands the meaning of duty, honor
>and sacrifice. It is difficult to admit, but I know
>these terms are spoken with only hollow detachment by
>many (but not all) in my generation.
>
>Too many citizens today mistake 'living in America' as
>'being an American.' But America has always been more
>of an idea than a place. When you sign on, you do more
>than buy real estate. You accept a set of values and
>responsibilities.
>
>This November, my generation, which has been absent
>too long, must grasp the obligation that comes with
>being an American, or fade into the oblivion they may
>deserve. I believe that 100 years from now historians
>will look back at the election of 2004 and see it as
>the decisive election of our century.
>
>Depending on the outcome, they will describe it as the
>moment America joined the ranks of ordinary nations;
>or they will describe it as the moment the prodigal
>sons and daughters of the greatest generation accepted
>their burden as caretakers of the City on the Hill."
>
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>[> Re: Just had to share this -- No name, 10/23/04
>9:27am
>
>Thank you so much for sharing this. I fear for all of
>our safety, our money, our health and our children if
>Kerry is elected.
>
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>[> [> Re: Just had to share this -- No name, 10/23/04
>10:01am
>
>Wow, thank you for sharing with us. I hadn't read this
>before now. I agree with it completely.
>
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>[> [> [> Re: Just had to share this -- No name,
>10/23/04 1:26pm
>
>Food for thought..........
>
>Thought I would share some information that is helping
>me decide how I will vote in November.
>
>Most of us haven't thought about this -- no matter how
>much we like or dislike John Kerry. Even an estimate
>of this cost is staggering.
>
>Beacon Hill, Boston $6.9 million
>Fox Chapel, PA $3.7 million (this is their "shanty")
>Georgetown, Washington D.C. $4.7 million
>Ketchum, Idaho $4.92 million
>Nantucket, MA $9.18 million
>
>If elected, you and I (or those of us who actually pay
>taxes) will pay upkeep and secret service protection
>for five Kerry mansions here in the United States plus
>those he and his wife own abroad. It is good to be
>John F. Kerry...the F stands for Forbes in case you
>ever wondered. He is one of the richest senators in
>government and he married even richer. Their
>properties certainly reflect their opulent lifestyle.
>When someone is elected president, the Secret Service
>has to protect this person and family as well as their
>property - for as long as the president and his spouse
>lives!
>
>As mentioned, the Kerry's have five US properties and
>several foreign properties. The cost to run one of
>these homes for a year is more than upper middle
>income Americans could afford, even if the rent was
>free, and all you had to pay was the water, gas &
>electric bills (we won't mention ground keepers,
>maintenance, pool, cooks and house keepers).
>
>If Kerry becomes president each property requires
>staffed secret service security 24 hours a day.
>Security improvements to each home will come at tax
>payer expense. Even if the Kerry's never use all the
>properties - they will be retrofitted -- just in case
>they drop by for a weekend. Facilities for the secret
>service agents must also be provided on each property.
>Who do you think will pay for this? We pay! This takes
>all the expense off Kerry and puts it on us. Bill
>Clinton is paying for his New York manor house by
>charging the government monthly rent for the required
>secret service facility. The monthly rent is nearly
>three times more than his mortgage payment. So we the
>tax payers are buying his house and he pockets the
>extra money from the rent on the secret service
>facility. Then he gets to write off the interest on
>his mortgage. Well, he was broke from defending his
>immoral skullduggery and his wife's little scandals,
>so maybe we should feel sorry for poor old Slick
>Willie.
>
>What does it cost to staff one property in terms of
>secret service agents? Let's just talk about his
>American properties. Each property would require 5
>agents per 6 hour shift 4 times a day 365 days a year
>for the rest of Kerry's life and however long his
>widow might live. In addition, we pay to house and
>feed these agents at each property for the duration.
>Do the math. Five properties requiring five agents per
>shift, times four shifts. That is 20 agents per day
>per property, 365 days per year. Lets say each agent
>receives a salary of about $60K (this doesn't include
>insurance, retirement, etc.; add 30% of salary for
>that). There will also be vehicles, repairs, gas, and
>other miscellaneous costs. Straight salary and
>benefits for 100 agents for one year would cost
>$7,800,000. We can only guess at the cost of
>retrofitting each property, building the facility
>necessary to house the agents and the monthly rent for
>each facility.
>
>On the other hand, George Bush owns one house - the
>one at his ranch in Crawford, Texas.
>
>Again, who pays? You and I pay. I don't mind one
>property; heck I wouldn't even complain about two -
>but five in the U.S. and those abroad? Perhaps Mr. and
>Mrs. Kerry should offer to foot the bill for all but
>two of these properties if they want me to consider
>his candidacy. Does it make sense to spend this kind
>of money on his excessive life style when he and Mrs.
>Heinz-Kerry can better afford it??
>
>Paying for the Kerry mansions is only a small part of
>my concern about this man sitting in the White House.
>Tax and spend Kerry - that's his party motto. I'd
>rather see the money we'd spend protecting his fancy
>properties go toward health care, our military and
>homeland security. Which America does he live in?? Not
>the same one I live in - that's for sure!
>
>Please pass the mustard; do America a favor and pass
>this to your friends. Let's keep Bush a resident of
>the White House rather than spend millions and
>millions to protect Kerry's preferred lifestyle and
>opulent properties. We'd save an incredible amount of
>money for more deserving programs. Oh, and viva Del
>Monte Ketchup!
>
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>[> [> [> [> Re: Just had to share this -- No name,
>10/23/04 9:24pm
>
>I did not even read all of the garbage above. But I do
>assure you Mrs. Heinz-Kerry will not need any money
>from the goverment anytime soon.
>
>This is not a political board so I will not respond to
>any other comments. Please post these brilliant ideas
>elsewhere.
>
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>[> [> [> [> [> For your info, genius... -- No name,
>10/23/04 9:38pm
>
>She may not "NEED" the government money but I bet you
>she won't turn it down. All former Presidents get the
>security entourage. They retrofit all their residences
>so they are well-protected. I think it's a load of
>bull myself. It's not like there is a ton of lunatics
>trying to assassinate Jimmy Carter right now. They
>focus on whoever is in office at the moment. Maybe
>give them one or 2 security officers but secret
>service agents and 007 style security?? Not necessary.
>
>I'm afraid with Kerry you are going to see a lot of
>needless spending for him and the Ketchup Queen.
>Someone so used to frivolity isn't going to suddenly
>get frugal with American dollars.
>
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>[> [> [> [> [> [> the Ketchup queen? -- No name,
>10/24/04 10:40am
>
>I love how people manage to come up with stupid names
>for women who actually have personalities. Laura Bush
>is about as interesting as mud, and Mrs. Kerry is a
>smart, successful, independant woman the type of woman
>who I want my daughter to grow up to be, not someone
>who would stay with a cocaine addict and alcoholic and
>sit like a lump everywhere not opening her mouth. What
>contributions has Mrs. Bush made since George came
>into office? She's just there....Historically, while
>wives don't run the office they make some type of
>contribution, Laura Bush is never hardly seen. Or
>maybe its because George has so many stupid mistakes
>to cover it takes up the space she'd have in the
>press. George Bush has more than one residence. He has
>vacation homes that are in the family so they are
>alrady being protectced. And his daddy just back from
>another trip into the Middle East for the company he's
>now working for that is makeing millions off of the
>war W. put us in....and the terrorists oh their still
>free. But they aren't the priority afterall, they just
>killed Americans on home soil....GO KERRY!!!!!! Kick
>that REDNECK IDIOT out of the OVAL!!!
>
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>[> [> [> [> [> [> [> Sad that so many people can be
>duped by a wannabe -- No name, 10/24/04 11:22am
>
>Teresa Heinz Kerry hasn't worked a day in her life.
>She was secretary-ing at the UN when she met the heir
>to the Heinz fortune. He died under mysterious
>circumstances, and then low and behold John Kerry
>shows up to comfort her. He was free since he dumped
>his wife and kids, after all wife #1 wasn't as loaded
>as Teresa.
>
>I sure hope your daughter has loftier goals than you
>have for her. Teresa isn't exactly someone I would
>want MY daughter to emulate. She's a feminist of the
>worst possible kind. A 'femi-Nazi' as some would call
>her. She cares more about a woman's right to murder
>her unborn than she does about anything else. She
>finances organizations that are tied to terrorists.
>The Kerry campaign supports minorities to the point of
>alienating everyone else. Why do you think they make
>such an effort to have Hispanics, African-Americans,
>and Asians in their public ads? And before you say
>that I"m being racist...I'm not. I believe everyone is
>entitled to 'life, liberty, and the pursuit of
>happiness' in this Nation, but it's gotten to the
>point that our society is so concerned with ensuring
>that minorities get theirs that it infringes on
>everyone else's. I'm sick of it. Just because someone
>is of another race doesn't mean they should get
>special treatment when applying for financial aid,
>college admission, employment, etc. It should be on
>merit alone. Just eliminate race from the forms. That
>will save on ink, paper, and lawsuits.
>
>Kerry and Edwards will plunge this country into chaos
>and we will have brainless nitwits like the above
>poster to thank for it.
>
>This country used to be a powerful, well-respected
>nation. People used to support our Commander-in-Chief
>and soldiers in war time, then all the flower children
>and potheads of the 70's sitting around the campfire
>singing "Cumbaya" decided that they should try
>politics. "Give Peace a Chance" was the order of the
>day. After all, when someone blows up buildings and
>kills thousands of people, why not talk about it and
>psychoanalyze the reason they did it, what we did to
>deserve it and how to avoid it in the future. Who
>needs to use military force to make our point known??
>Japan learned this in WWII, didn't they? You don't see
>Japanese citizens plotting attacks on the US. We
>nearly blew their island off the map and they 'don't
>want none of that' again. With Kerry in office, the
>next time it may be a larger scale attack and the US
>may never recover. We are living in the last days
>folks, do you really want to be responsible for voting
>in the AntiChrist? Look closely at Kerry's stance on
>moral issues and you'll see he's not far from being
>old 666. He and Teresa both should be imprisoned for
>aiding the enemy. He catered to Vietnam during the
>war, and she is currently supporting Terrorist
>networks with her gazillions of $$$.
>
>I want my kids to grow up in a country that they can
>feel safe to walk the streets. Kerry will be more
>concerned with his money and his pasttimes than
>running this country, and Edwards is nothing but a
>bloodsucking litigation attorney. We'll be in great
>shape if we want to sue Osama, but otherwise we're
>scr*wed.
>
>GO BUSH!!!!!
>
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>[> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> Re: Sad that so many people
>can be duped by a wannabe -- No name, 10/24/04 11:25am
>
>AMEN!!
>
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>[> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> Re: Sad that so many people
>can be duped by a wannabe -- No name, 10/24/04 12:18pm
>
>I double the AMEN!!! GO BUSH!!!
>I'm afraid if Kerry gets into office our country will
>go to hell in a handbag.
>
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>[> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> Re: Sad that so many
>people can be duped by a wannabe -- No name, 10/24/04
>1:47pm
>
>You all go vote for Bush once again and god forbid he
>gets it again!We will see more terrorists attacks than
>probably ever before.I personaly don't think all these
>wars are helping us a bit with all the other
>countries.The money we use destroying other countries
>we should be tightening security here in U.S.Voting
>for him does not make us look like we are strong.It
>makes us look like we are bullies with hot headed
>tempers that will run off and do stupid things with
>out thinking!That is Bush and Chainey they are the
>most hotheaded politicians I've ever seen.You question
>them about a mistake they cannot handle it!I pray for
>our soldiers standing by what they are told.They are
>the true hero's NOT BUSH!How many have to die for
>these IDIOTS!FOR GREED!THEY ARE GETTING RICH OF THIS
>WAR!KERRY DOESN"T HAVE TO GET RICH PEOPLE>THINK ABOUT
>IT!I say if Kerry's wife can speak her mind that tells
>me what a great thing he could do for Woman and
>minorities.I want equal treatment for my daughters and
>who knows these men running that allow there wifes to
>contribute are setting the way for a possible woman to
>be president one day.GO! HILLARY CLINTON
>GO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
>
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>[> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> Re: Sad that so many
>people can be duped by a wannabe -- No name, 10/24/04
>1:58pm
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>BUSH IS JUST FINISHING WHAT HIS DADDY COULDN"T! THEY
>ARE TRUE IDIOTS THAT WILL GET US ALL KILLED!
>
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>[> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> Re: Sad that so
>many people can be duped by a wannabe -- No name,
>10/24/04 2:10pm
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>Our country has already went to hell in a handbag as
>you put it!It won't get any better with Bush thats for
>sure!He had a chance to turn things around and I don't
>think he's done a good job at all!Our economy stinks
>and our troops are dying and they are get rich!Need I
>say more!Give Kerry a try!I willing to bet gas prices
>will go down and our economy will inprove!It will take
>hard work but I'm sure he could do a better
>job!ECONOMY!ECONOMY!
>
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>[> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> Re: Sad that so
>many people can be duped by a wannabe -- No name,
>10/24/04 3:50pm
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>I just have to comment on the post about Mrs. Kerry.
>You say you want your daughter to be like her and that
>Laura Bush is never seen. I see Mrs. Bush on
>television ALL the time. I also so her in the
>newspaper and in any place you find news. I never,
>ever see anything negative about her. What do you want
>her to do? She is the President's WIFE. Not the actual
>President. I didn't vote her into office. I think
>she's a terrific First Lady. Anyway, I digress. What I
>was getting at is Tereza Heinz Kerry's comment the
>other day that she's never known Laura Bush to have a
>"real" job. Just goes to show how much she knows about
>anything! She had to eat her words, didn't she? Yes, I
>know she "apologized". That's because she didn't have
>a choice. I personally don't want John OR Tereza in
>the Oval Office. What a mess it would be!!!!
>
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>[> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> Re: Sad that so
>many people can be duped by a wannabe -- No name,
>10/24/04 4:01pm
>
>The first four years for Bush was to clean up what
>Clinton dirtied up. Kerry is a lying, low-down, tax
>and spend IDIOT! Why do you think all our enemies want
>Kerry to win the election....because they will eat him
>for lunch and us too in the process! They are afraid
>of Bush and that is just what we need! Kerry is a
>spineless money monger and will be the destruction of
>America
>
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>[> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> Re: Sad that so many people
>can be duped by a wannabe -- No name, 10/24/04 6:15pm
>
>AWWWW..just gotta say GO Kerry! bush has told 1 too
>many lies to us, you know America was scared to death
>when Kennedy went in, and then when he was taken out
>so sadley, they knew what we had lost. for as long as
>i can remember the rep party has been for the "rich"
>man...now if you are rich you should probably go vote
>bush, but if you are a working southern man or woman
>you will find in 4 year you will probably be better
>off with a deomcrat in that white house.
>
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>[> [> [> [> Re: Just had to share this -- No name,
>10/24/04 3:47pm
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>YOU NEED TO KEEP THIS TO YOURSELF.. VOTE HOW YOU WANT
>TOO AND BE GLAD TO VOTE....I MY SELF WILL BE VOTING
>FOR WHO IS BEST THAT IS KERRY NOT BUSH LOOK WHERE HE
>HAS US NOW! GET A LIFE YOU STARTED THIS AND BEWARE OF
>THIS LADY
>
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>[> [> [> [> [> Re: Just had to share this -- No name,
>10/24/04 4:03pm
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>What lady? What is so weird is that I trust Clinton
>more than I do Kerry. That is why BUSH IS THE ONLY
>HOPE FOR AMERICA!
>
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>[> [> [> [> [> [> Re: Just had to share this -- No
>name, 10/24/04 4:16pm
>
>You are crazy if you want your daughter to be like Mrs
>Kerry. I would not want my daughter looking like she
>has been drinking and on drugs everytime she is seen
>on tv. Also I would want my daughter to groom herself.
>My goodness I feel for your daughter.
>It is Chaney NOT Chainey.
>GO BUSH!!!
>
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>[> [> [> [> [> [> [> Re: Just had to share this -- No
>name, 10/24/04 4:18pm
>
>Actually, it's Cheney, but GO BUSH!!!!!!!
>
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>[> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> Re: Just had to share this --
>No name, 10/24/04 6:15pm
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>Kerry will be so concerned with his pasttimes? go
>watch the Michael Moore Movie Fareinheit 9/11 and then
>talk about pasttimes. Bush spent more days on vaction
>in his first year of presidency than in the oval
>office. He was playing golf and hunting. Its a fact,
>not propaganda a fact. Yes lets have four more years
>of a war we can't pay for that is alienating us from
>every other country in the world. Korea HAS weapons of
>mass destruction but are we attacking them? NOOOOOO!!!
>Because Bush wanted Iraq and now his family is making
>money off our soldiers lives. GO KERRY!!

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>COME ON AMERICA!! -- No name, 10/24/04 6:24pm
>
>AWWWW..just gotta say GO Kerry! bush has told 1 too
>many lies to us, you know America was scared to death
>when Kennedy went in, and then when he was taken out
>so sadley, they knew what we had lost. for as long as
>i can remember the rep party has been for the "rich"
>man...now if you are rich you should probably go vote
>bush, but if you are a working southern man or woman
>you will find in 4 year you will probably be better
>off with a deomcrat in that white house. did any of
>you see the lump or hump whatever you want to call it
>in bush's back during the debates? well i just gave
>him the benefit of the doubt and thought yeah, he has
>on a bullet proof vest...but now the new media says it
>was a wire to help prompt him. how sad....he says he
>will not reinstate the draft...did you hear the news
>tonight??? well look out mom's they said it is coming
>back if bush stay there. let's get him out of the
>white house and bring our boys and girls home! we
>don't need our kids over there fighting for an oil
>well!
>
>
>Just had to share this -- No name, 10/23/04 9:00am
>
>A very thought-provoking article...
>This Election Determines Fate of the Nation
>
>This Article appeared in the Daily Record (Ellensburg,
>Washington paper) on Wed. Oct. 6, 2004. It was written
>by Mathew Manweller who is a Central Washington
>University political science professor.
>
>The title of the article was "Election determines fate
>of nation."
>
>"In that this will be my last column before the
>presidential election there will be no sarcasm, no
>attempts at witty repartee. The topic is too
>serious,and the stakes are too high. This November we
>will vote in the only election during our lifetime
>that will truly matter. Because America is at a
>once-in-a-generation crossroads, more than an election
>hangs in the balance.
>
>Down one path lies retreat, abdication and a reign of
>ambivalence. Down the other lies a nation that is
>aware of its past and accepts the daunting obligation
>its future demands. If we choose poorly, the
>consequences will echo through the next 50 years of
>history. If we, in a spasm of frustration, turn out
>the current occupant of the White House, the message
>to the world and ourselves will be twofold. First, we
>will reject the notion that America can do big things.
>
>Once a nation that tamed a frontier, stood down the
>Nazis and stood upon the moon, we will announce to the
>world that bringing democracy to the Middle East is
>too big of a task for us. But more significantly, we
>will signal to future presidents that as voters, we
>are unwilling to tackle difficult challenges,
>preferring caution to boldness, embracing the
>mediocrity that has characterized other civilizations.
>
>The defeat of President Bush will send a chilling
>message to future presidents who may need to make
>difficult, yet unpopular decisions. America has always
>been a nation that rises to the demands of history
>regardless of the costs or appeal. If we turn away
>from that legacy, we turn away from who we are.
>Second, we inform every terrorist organization on the
>globe that the lesson of Somalia was well learned. In
>Somalia we showed terrorists that you don't need to
>defeat America on the battlefield when you can defeat
>them in the newsroom.
>
>They learned that a wounded America can become a
>defeated America. Twenty-four-hour news stations and
>daily tracing polls will do the heavy lifting, turning
>a cut into a fatal blow. Except that Iraq is Somalia
>times 10. The election of John Kerry will serve notice
>to every terrorist in every cave that the soft
>underbelly of American power is the timidity of
>American voters.
>
>Terrorists will know that a steady stream of grizzly
>photos for CNN is all you need to break the will of
>the American people. Our own self-doubt will take it
>from there.
>
>Bin Laden will recognize that he can topple any
>American administration without setting foot on the
>homeland
>
>It is said that America's W.W.II generation is its
>'greatest generation.' But my greatest fear is that it
>will become known as America's 'last generation.' Born
>in the bleakness of the Great Depression and hardened
>in the fire of WWII, they may be the last American
>generation that understands the meaning of duty, honor
>and sacrifice. It is difficult to admit, but I know
>these terms are spoken with only hollow detachment by
>many (but not all) in my generation.
>
>Too many citizens today mistake 'living in America' as
>'being an American.' But America has always been more
>of an idea than a place. When you sign on, you do more
>than buy real estate. You accept a set of values and
>responsibilities.
>
>This November, my generation, which has been absent
>too long, must grasp the obligation that comes with
>being an American, or fade into the oblivion they may
>deserve. I believe that 100 years from now historians
>will look back at the election of 2004 and see it as
>the decisive election of our century.
>
>Depending on the outcome, they will describe it as the
>moment America joined the ranks of ordinary nations;
>or they will describe it as the moment the prodigal
>sons and daughters of the greatest generation accepted
>their burden as caretakers of the City on the Hill."
>
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>[> Re: Just had to share this -- No name, 10/23/04
>9:27am
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>Thank you so much for sharing this. I fear for all of
>our safety, our money, our health and our children if
>Kerry is elected.
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>[> [> Re: Just had to share this -- No name, 10/23/04
>10:01am
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>Wow, thank you for sharing with us. I hadn't read this
>before now. I agree with it completely.
>
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>[> [> [> Re: Just had to share this -- No name,
>10/23/04 1:26pm
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>Food for thought..........
>
>Thought I would share some information that is helping
>me decide how I will vote in November.
>
>Most of us haven't thought about this -- no matter how
>much we like or dislike John Kerry. Even an estimate
>of this cost is staggering.
>
>Beacon Hill, Boston $6.9 million
>Fox Chapel, PA $3.7 million (this is their "shanty")
>Georgetown, Washington D.C. $4.7 million
>Ketchum, Idaho $4.92 million
>Nantucket, MA $9.18 million
>
>If elected, you and I (or those of us who actually pay
>taxes) will pay upkeep and secret service protection
>for five Kerry mansions here in the United States plus
>those he and his wife own abroad. It is good to be
>John F. Kerry...the F stands for Forbes in case you
>ever wondered. He is one of the richest senators in
>government and he married even richer. Their
>properties certainly reflect their opulent lifestyle.
>When someone is elected president, the Secret Service
>has to protect this person and family as well as their
>property - for as long as the president and his spouse
>lives!
>
>As mentioned, the Kerry's have five US properties and
>several foreign properties. The cost to run one of
>these homes for a year is more than upper middle
>income Americans could afford, even if the rent was
>free, and all you had to pay was the water, gas &
>electric bills (we won't mention ground keepers,
>maintenance, pool, cooks and house keepers).
>
>If Kerry becomes president each property requires
>staffed secret service security 24 hours a day.
>Security improvements to each home will come at tax
>payer expense. Even if the Kerry's never use all the
>properties - they will be retrofitted -- just in case
>they drop by for a weekend. Facilities for the secret
>service agents must also be provided on each property.
>Who do you think will pay for this? We pay! This takes
>all the expense off Kerry and puts it on us. Bill
>Clinton is paying for his New York manor house by
>charging the government monthly rent for the required
>secret service facility. The monthly rent is nearly
>three times more than his mortgage payment. So we the
>tax payers are buying his house and he pockets the
>extra money from the rent on the secret service
>facility. Then he gets to write off the interest on
>his mortgage. Well, he was broke from defending his
>immoral skullduggery and his wife's little scandals,
>so maybe we should feel sorry for poor old Slick
>Willie.
>
>What does it cost to staff one property in terms of
>secret service agents? Let's just talk about his
>American properties. Each property would require 5
>agents per 6 hour shift 4 times a day 365 days a year
>for the rest of Kerry's life and however long his
>widow might live. In addition, we pay to house and
>feed these agents at each property for the duration.
>Do the math. Five properties requiring five agents per
>shift, times four shifts. That is 20 agents per day
>per property, 365 days per year. Lets say each agent
>receives a salary of about $60K (this doesn't include
>insurance, retirement, etc.; add 30% of salary for
>that). There will also be vehicles, repairs, gas, and
>other miscellaneous costs. Straight salary and
>benefits for 100 agents for one year would cost
>$7,800,000. We can only guess at the cost of
>retrofitting each property, building the facility
>necessary to house the agents and the monthly rent for
>each facility.
>
>On the other hand, George Bush owns one house - the
>one at his ranch in Crawford, Texas.
>
>Again, who pays? You and I pay. I don't mind one
>property; heck I wouldn't even complain about two -
>but five in the U.S. and those abroad? Perhaps Mr. and
>Mrs. Kerry should offer to foot the bill for all but
>two of these properties if they want me to consider
>his candidacy. Does it make sense to spend this kind
>of money on his excessive life style when he and Mrs.
>Heinz-Kerry can better afford it??
>
>Paying for the Kerry mansions is only a small part of
>my concern about this man sitting in the White House.
>Tax and spend Kerry - that's his party motto. I'd
>rather see the money we'd spend protecting his fancy
>properties go toward health care, our military and
>homeland security. Which America does he live in?? Not
>the same one I live in - that's for sure!
>
>Please pass the mustard; do America a favor and pass
>this to your friends. Let's keep Bush a resident of
>the White House rather than spend millions and
>millions to protect Kerry's preferred lifestyle and
>opulent properties. We'd save an incredible amount of
>money for more deserving programs. Oh, and viva Del
>Monte Ketchup!
>
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>[> [> [> [> Re: Just had to share this -- No name,
>10/23/04 9:24pm
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>I did not even read all of the garbage above. But I do
>assure you Mrs. Heinz-Kerry will not need any money
>from the goverment anytime soon.
>
>This is not a political board so I will not respond to
>any other comments. Please post these brilliant ideas
>elsewhere.
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>[> [> [> [> [> For your info, genius... -- No name,
>10/23/04 9:38pm
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>She may not "NEED" the government money but I bet you
>she won't turn it down. All former Presidents get the
>security entourage. They retrofit all their residences
>so they are well-protected. I think it's a load of
>bull myself. It's not like there is a ton of lunatics
>trying to assassinate Jimmy Carter right now. They
>focus on whoever is in office at the moment. Maybe
>give them one or 2 security officers but secret
>service agents and 007 style security?? Not necessary.
>
>I'm afraid with Kerry you are going to see a lot of
>needless spending for him and the Ketchup Queen.
>Someone so used to frivolity isn't going to suddenly
>get frugal with American dollars.
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>[> [> [> [> [> [> the Ketchup queen? -- No name,
>10/24/04 10:40am
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>I love how people manage to come up with stupid names
>for women who actually have personalities. Laura Bush
>is about as interesting as mud, and Mrs. Kerry is a
>smart, successful, independant woman the type of woman
>who I want my daughter to grow up to be, not someone
>who would stay with a cocaine addict and alcoholic and
>sit like a lump everywhere not opening her mouth. What
>contributions has Mrs. Bush made since George came
>into office? She's just there....Historically, while
>wives don't run the office they make some type of
>contribution, Laura Bush is never hardly seen. Or
>maybe its because George has so many stupid mistakes
>to cover it takes up the space she'd have in the
>press. George Bush has more than one residence. He has
>vacation homes that are in the family so they are
>alrady being protectced. And his daddy just back from
>another trip into the Middle East for the company he's
>now working for that is makeing millions off of the
>war W. put us in....and the terrorists oh their still
>free. But they aren't the priority afterall, they just
>killed Americans on home soil....GO KERRY!!!!!! Kick
>that REDNECK IDIOT out of the OVAL!!!
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>[> [> [> [> [> [> [> Sad that so many people can be
>duped by a wannabe -- No name, 10/24/04 11:22am
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>Teresa Heinz Kerry hasn't worked a day in her life.
>She was secretary-ing at the UN when she met the heir
>to the Heinz fortune. He died under mysterious
>circumstances, and then low and behold John Kerry
>shows up to comfort her. He was free since he dumped
>his wife and kids, after all wife #1 wasn't as loaded
>as Teresa.
>
>I sure hope your daughter has loftier goals than you
>have for her. Teresa isn't exactly someone I would
>want MY daughter to emulate. She's a feminist of the
>worst possible kind. A 'femi-Nazi' as some would call
>her. She cares more about a woman's right to murder
>her unborn than she does about anything else. She
>finances organizations that are tied to terrorists.
>The Kerry campaign supports minorities to the point of
>alienating everyone else. Why do you think they make
>such an effort to have Hispanics, African-Americans,
>and Asians in their public ads? And before you say
>that I"m being racist...I'm not. I believe everyone is
>entitled to 'life, liberty, and the pursuit of
>happiness' in this Nation, but it's gotten to the
>point that our society is so concerned with ensuring
>that minorities get theirs that it infringes on
>everyone else's. I'm sick of it. Just because someone
>is of another race doesn't mean they should get
>special treatment when applying for financial aid,
>college admission, employment, etc. It should be on
>merit alone. Just eliminate race from the forms. That
>will save on ink, paper, and lawsuits.
>
>Kerry and Edwards will plunge this country into chaos
>and we will have brainless nitwits like the above
>poster to thank for it.
>
>This country used to be a powerful, well-respected
>nation. People used to support our Commander-in-Chief
>and soldiers in war time, then all the flower children
>and potheads of the 70's sitting around the campfire
>singing "Cumbaya" decided that they should try
>politics. "Give Peace a Chance" was the order of the
>day. After all, when someone blows up buildings and
>kills thousands of people, why not talk about it and
>psychoanalyze the reason they did it, what we did to
>deserve it and how to avoid it in the future. Who
>needs to use military force to make our point known??
>Japan learned this in WWII, didn't they? You don't see
>Japanese citizens plotting attacks on the US. We
>nearly blew their island off the map and they 'don't
>want none of that' again. With Kerry in office, the
>next time it may be a larger scale attack and the US
>may never recover. We are living in the last days
>folks, do you really want to be responsible for voting
>in the AntiChrist? Look closely at Kerry's stance on
>moral issues and you'll see he's not far from being
>old 666. He and Teresa both should be imprisoned for
>aiding the enemy. He catered to Vietnam during the
>war, and she is currently supporting Terrorist
>networks with her gazillions of $$$.
>
>I want my kids to grow up in a country that they can
>feel safe to walk the streets. Kerry will be more
>concerned with his money and his pasttimes than
>running this country, and Edwards is nothing but a
>bloodsucking litigation attorney. We'll be in great
>shape if we want to sue Osama, but otherwise we're
>scr*wed.
>
>GO BUSH!!!!!
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>[> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> Re: Sad that so many people
>can be duped by a wannabe -- No name, 10/24/04 11:25am
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>AMEN!!
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>[> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> Re: Sad that so many people
>can be duped by a wannabe -- No name, 10/24/04 12:18pm
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>I double the AMEN!!! GO BUSH!!!
>I'm afraid if Kerry gets into office our country will
>go to hell in a handbag.
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>[> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> Re: Sad that so many
>people can be duped by a wannabe -- No name, 10/24/04
>1:47pm
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>You all go vote for Bush once again and god forbid he
>gets it again!We will see more terrorists attacks than
>probably ever before.I personaly don't think all these
>wars are helping us a bit with all the other
>countries.The money we use destroying other countries
>we should be tightening security here in U.S.Voting
>for him does not make us look like we are strong.It
>makes us look like we are bullies with hot headed
>tempers that will run off and do stupid things with
>out thinking!That is Bush and Chainey they are the
>most hotheaded politicians I've ever seen.You question
>them about a mistake they cannot handle it!I pray for
>our soldiers standing by what they are told.They are
>the true hero's NOT BUSH!How many have to die for
>these IDIOTS!FOR GREED!THEY ARE GETTING RICH OF THIS
>WAR!KERRY DOESN"T HAVE TO GET RICH PEOPLE>THINK ABOUT
>IT!I say if Kerry's wife can speak her mind that tells
>me what a great thing he could do for Woman and
>minorities.I want equal treatment for my daughters and
>who knows these men running that allow there wifes to
>contribute are setting the way for a possible woman to
>be president one day.GO! HILLARY CLINTON
>GO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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>[> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> Re: Sad that so many
>people can be duped by a wannabe -- No name, 10/24/04
>1:58pm
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>BUSH IS JUST FINISHING WHAT HIS DADDY COULDN"T! THEY
>ARE TRUE IDIOTS THAT WILL GET US ALL KILLED!
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>[> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> Re: Sad that so
>many people can be duped by a wannabe -- No name,
>10/24/04 2:10pm
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>Our country has already went to hell in a handbag as
>you put it!It won't get any better with Bush thats for
>sure!He had a chance to turn things around and I don't
>think he's done a good job at all!Our economy stinks
>and our troops are dying and they are get rich!Need I
>say more!Give Kerry a try!I willing to bet gas prices
>will go down and our economy will inprove!It will take
>hard work but I'm sure he could do a better
>job!ECONOMY!ECONOMY!
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>[> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> Re: Sad that so
>many people can be duped by a wannabe -- No name,
>10/24/04 3:50pm
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>I just have to comment on the post about Mrs. Kerry.
>You say you want your daughter to be like her and that
>Laura Bush is never seen. I see Mrs. Bush on
>television ALL the time. I also so her in the
>newspaper and in any place you find news. I never,
>ever see anything negative about her. What do you want
>her to do? She is the President's WIFE. Not the actual
>President. I didn't vote her into office. I think
>she's a terrific First Lady. Anyway, I digress. What I
>was getting at is Tereza Heinz Kerry's comment the
>other day that she's never known Laura Bush to have a
>"real" job. Just goes to show how much she knows about
>anything! She had to eat her words, didn't she? Yes, I
>know she "apologized". That's because she didn't have
>a choice. I personally don't want John OR Tereza in
>the Oval Office. What a mess it would be!!!!
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>[> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> Re: Sad that so
>many people can be duped by a wannabe -- No name,
>10/24/04 4:01pm
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>The first four years for Bush was to clean up what
>Clinton dirtied up. Kerry is a lying, low-down, tax
>and spend IDIOT! Why do you think all our enemies want
>Kerry to win the election....because they will eat him
>for lunch and us too in the process! They are afraid
>of Bush and that is just what we need! Kerry is a
>spineless money monger and will be the destruction of
>America
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>[> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> Re: Sad that so many people
>can be duped by a wannabe -- No name, 10/24/04 6:15pm
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>AWWWW..just gotta say GO Kerry! bush has told 1 too
>many lies to us, you know America was scared to death
>when Kennedy went in, and then when he was taken out
>so sadley, they knew what we had lost. for as long as
>i can remember the rep party has been for the "rich"
>man...now if you are rich you should probably go vote
>bush, but if you are a working southern man or woman
>you will find in 4 year you will probably be better
>off with a deomcrat in that white house.
>
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>[> [> [> [> Re: Just had to share this -- No name,
>10/24/04 3:47pm
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>YOU NEED TO KEEP THIS TO YOURSELF.. VOTE HOW YOU WANT
>TOO AND BE GLAD TO VOTE....I MY SELF WILL BE VOTING
>FOR WHO IS BEST THAT IS KERRY NOT BUSH LOOK WHERE HE
>HAS US NOW! GET A LIFE YOU STARTED THIS AND BEWARE OF
>THIS LADY
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>[> [> [> [> [> Re: Just had to share this -- No name,
>10/24/04 4:03pm
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>What lady? What is so weird is that I trust Clinton
>more than I do Kerry. That is why BUSH IS THE ONLY
>HOPE FOR AMERICA!
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>[> [> [> [> [> [> Re: Just had to share this -- No
>name, 10/24/04 4:16pm
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>You are crazy if you want your daughter to be like Mrs
>Kerry. I would not want my daughter looking like she
>has been drinking and on drugs everytime she is seen
>on tv. Also I would want my daughter to groom herself.
>My goodness I feel for your daughter.
>It is Chaney NOT Chainey.
>GO BUSH!!!
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>[> [> [> [> [> [> [> Re: Just had to share this -- No
>name, 10/24/04 4:18pm
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>Actually, it's Cheney, but GO BUSH!!!!!!!
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>[> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> Re: Just had to share this --
>No name, 10/24/04 6:15pm
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>Kerry will be so concerned with his pasttimes? go
>watch the Michael Moore Movie Fareinheit 9/11 and then
>talk about pasttimes. Bush spent more days on vaction
>in his first year of presidency than in the oval
>office. He was playing golf and hunting. Its a fact,
>not propaganda a fact. Yes lets have four more years
>of a war we can't pay for that is alienating us from
>every other country in the world. Korea HAS weapons of
>mass destruction but are we attacking them? NOOOOOO!!!
>Because Bush wanted Iraq and now his family is making
>money off our soldiers lives. GO KERRY!!

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