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Date Posted: 21:03:58 06/12/06 Mon
Author: Beverly
Subject: My flyer, Molly Kule, liked just about everyone, but ...
In reply to: Agnes 's message, "Re: Problem with biting" on 16:53:02 06/12/06 Mon

(My flyer, Molly Kule, liked just about everyone, but ....) took an instant dislike to one individual. No matter how they tried, with treats, Molly would just take the nut, then sometimes manage to bite, anyway, before getting away with the goodies.

I agree with Agnes, there may be a jealousy issue, here. But no matter what the reason, it's clear Jill is trying to establish herself as above your GF, in the general pecking order of your household. If your GF is willing to be patient, but firm, she may be able to at least reach a delicate peace, with Jill. Your GF may have to brave being bitten, but needs to work with Jill, either with the 'bathroom routine', or some other corrective measure.

The bathroom routine envolves taking Jill into a small room, like a bathroom, where Jill can move about, but not escape. Then, your GF has to offer Jill her hand, as a perch. Should Jill 'attack' the hand, she needs to be sharply, verbally repremanded, then 'driven' around the room by not letting her find a peaceful resting spot, until Jill willingly accepts the outstretched hand as the resting spot. Once she does, soft encouraging words should be used, and a small piece of pecan offered. Should the biting behaviour start again, the process in repeated. Sooner than you imagine, Jill will get the idea that biting gets her no rest, while just being 'socially agreeable' gets her praise and a present. It might only take one day, and it might take a month. It will much depend upon your GF's willingness and patience, and consistant correction without malice. At NO time can your GF lose her patience. If she does, she should stop the 'lesson', and wait for a time when she's able to control her own reaction.

The 'driving' around without a resting spot is similar to the 'Horsewhisperer's' method of making a horse 'buddy up'. You cannot be mean, or angry, but you take the horse into a round pen, and you don't let it find any rest, until it realises the only peace it will find is by willingly coming into the center, where you stand, and submitting to a caress and a kind word. The 'driving' is not done at a furious pace, just a consistant 'pushing' of the individual, until they give in.

With Molly Kule, I used the bathroom technique, repeating 'NO biting, Molly!' when she would go into 'attack' mode. Molly soon recognised that if I said 'NO biting, Molly!', but she continued to be hostile, the next thing that would happen is she'd be 'trapped' in the bathroom getting 'the treatment' for a half hour, or so. This interfered with Molly's other far more interesting activities, so she nearly always sped away, if she heard me say 'No biting!' That mostly remedied the problem, for my guest. Molly never really got over her hostility to the individual; but as they were not intending to stay all that long, it was not something upon which they worked, with Molly.

There are other methods of working with a biting flyer. I'd recommend a visit to the NFSA Messageboard for more ideas.



>That is interesting.. When this occurs is your
>girlfriend snacking? Does she bite real hard, enough
>to draw blood or is she nibbling and maybe trying to
>taste her?? How does your girlfriend respond. For
>instance , does she get upset and leave the room. I
>would get some wax worms and have your girlfriend
>treat her when she comes over before she is biten,
>never after. It sounds a little like jealousy. She
>may have to win her over...

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