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Date Posted: 11:02:28 06/13/06 Tue
Author: Cathy C. & Princess P.
Subject: Re: My flyer, Molly Kule, liked just about everyone, but ...
In reply to: Beverly 's message, "My flyer, Molly Kule, liked just about everyone, but ..." on 21:03:58 06/12/06 Mon

I have a question :) When Pootie was being aggressive with me I couldn't shoo her away, she's too busy biting my fingers and if I tried to control her by shooing her she'd run up my arm or jump to the other arm. I had to be careful that she didn't go up to my face to bite (which she did when I blew on her hard or made a loud 'NO' sound). She also tried charging at me when I got near her cage but a couple times of a gentle spray from a small water bottle cured that. And now, knock-on-wood, she's my sweet funny lovable little girl again. (the catch and hold worked? or hormones have settled down temporarily?) With the begging eyes and gentle little hands and nose. The one who nearly knocks me over with greeting when I get home from work at night and loves to preview what's for dinner on my fingers before finally settling down in front of her 7 or 8 course meal at night. ;) :)





>(My flyer, Molly Kule, liked just about everyone, but
>....) took an instant dislike to one individual. No
>matter how they tried, with treats, Molly would just
>take the nut, then sometimes manage to bite, anyway,
>before getting away with the goodies.
>
>I agree with Agnes, there may be a jealousy issue,
>here. But no matter what the reason, it's clear Jill
>is trying to establish herself as above your GF, in
>the general pecking order of your household. If your
>GF is willing to be patient, but firm, she may be able
>to at least reach a delicate peace, with Jill. Your
>GF may have to brave being bitten, but needs to work
>with Jill, either with the 'bathroom routine', or some
>other corrective measure.
>
>The bathroom routine envolves taking Jill into a small
>room, like a bathroom, where Jill can move about, but
>not escape. Then, your GF has to offer Jill her hand,
>as a perch. Should Jill 'attack' the hand, she needs
>to be sharply, verbally repremanded, then 'driven'
>around the room by not letting her find a peaceful
>resting spot, until Jill willingly accepts the
>outstretched hand as the resting spot. Once
>she does, soft encouraging words should be used, and a
>small piece of pecan offered. Should the biting
>behaviour start again, the process in repeated.
>Sooner than you imagine, Jill will get the idea that
>biting gets her no rest, while just being 'socially
>agreeable' gets her praise and a present. It might
>only take one day, and it might take a month. It will
>much depend upon your GF's willingness and patience,
>and consistant correction without malice. At NO time
>can your GF lose her patience. If she does, she
>should stop the 'lesson', and wait for a time when
>she's able to control her own reaction.
>
>The 'driving' around without a resting spot is similar
>to the 'Horsewhisperer's' method of making a horse
>'buddy up'. You cannot be mean, or angry, but you
>take the horse into a round pen, and you don't let it
>find any rest, until it realises the only peace it
>will find is by willingly coming into the center,
>where you stand, and submitting to a caress and a kind
>word. The 'driving' is not done at a furious pace,
>just a consistant 'pushing' of the individual, until
>they give in.
>
>With Molly Kule, I used the bathroom technique,
>repeating 'NO biting, Molly!' when she would go into
>'attack' mode. Molly soon recognised that if I said
>'NO biting, Molly!', but she continued to be hostile,
>the next thing that would happen is she'd be 'trapped'
>in the bathroom getting 'the treatment' for a half
>hour, or so. This interfered with Molly's other far
>more interesting activities, so she nearly always sped
>away, if she heard me say 'No biting!' That mostly
>remedied the problem, for my guest. Molly never
>really got over her hostility to the
>individual; but as they were not intending to stay all
>that long, it was not something upon which they
>worked, with Molly.
>
>There are other methods of working with a biting
>flyer. I'd recommend a visit to the rel=nofollow target=_blank >href="http://www.nfsa.us/phpBB2/">NFSA
>Messageboard for more ideas.
>
>
>
>>That is interesting.. When this occurs is your
>>girlfriend snacking? Does she bite real hard, enough
>>to draw blood or is she nibbling and maybe trying to
>>taste her?? How does your girlfriend respond. For
>>instance , does she get upset and leave the room. I
>>would get some wax worms and have your girlfriend
>>treat her when she comes over before she is biten,
>>never after. It sounds a little like jealousy. She
>>may have to win her over...

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