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Date Posted: 17:41:41 11/13/02 Wed
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John 16:30
"Now we know that you know all things, and don't need for anyone to question you. By this we believe that you came forth from God."
A word-for-word interlinear of the W&H text:
nun oidamen hoti oidas panta kai ou
NOW WE HAVE KNOWN THAT YOU HAVE KNOWN ALL AND NOT
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chreian echeis hina tis se erwta en
NEED YOU ARE HAVING IN ORDER THAT ANYONE YOU MAY QUESTION; IN
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toutw pisteuomen hoti apo theou exeelthes
THIS WE ARE BELIEVING THAT FROM GOD YOU CAME OUT.
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According to the way many trinitarians and some oneness believers interpret this verse, Jesus in the flesh has the same sentiency as his Father, knowing absolutely everything to know about absolutely everything; if so, the logical conclusion would be that there would be no need for Jesus in the flesh to receive or learn anything at all in the flesh, since he already knew it all. (Deuteronomy 18:15,18; 1S Samuel 2:6; Psalm 36:9; Matthew 23:39; Mark 11:9,10; Luke 13:35; John 3:2,17; 5:19,21-23,25-30,43; 7:16,28; 8:26,28,38; 10:25; 12:49,50; 14:10; 15:15; 17:8,26; Hebrews 1:1,2; Revelation 1:1) This, of course, is not what the disciples were saying, as we will see from the context.
Indeed, the disciples recognized Jesus as being, not God Almighty, but rather from God, as stated in the same verse. If the disciples meant to say that Jesus had the nature of God Almighty in knowing all things, why would they in the same sentence say that they knew he was from God because of the knowledge he had? The reasonable conclusion would be that they knew that he had received his knowledge from God who sent him, even as the scriptures and Jesus himself stated many times. (Deuteronomy 18:15,18; Matthew 23:39; Mark 11:9,10; Luke 13:35; John 3:2,17; 5:19,43; 7:16,28; 8:26,28,38; 10:25; 12:49,50; 14:10; 15:15; 17:8,26; Hebrews 1:1,2; Revelation 1:1) Of course, many would like to break the scripture apart and make it appear that only his human nature is meant as being "from" God, and that the disciples actually were saying that they knew he was God Almighty in stating that Jesus knew all things, which of course, just doesn't in reality fit the context at all. But this is but one the cases where many wish to wist the scriptures read the scripture out of context, and add to it the extra-Biblical philosophy that Jesus had two natures (supposedly being both fully God Almighty and fully man) while on earth, to make it appear to be in harmony with their doctrines.
The Greek word panta (a variation of the Greek word, pas - Strong's #3956), translated "all" in John 16:30, is always used relative to the context of which it is being used. (Many translators add qualifying nouns to the word, as the word "things" is added by most translators here.*) Thus the apostles are not saying that Jesus was God Almighty, having all knowledge of absolutely everything there is, but rather that Jesus knew all the things he had spoken of, for he had received this knowledge from and came forth from his Father, Yahweh. In other words, he knew what he was talking about, knowing from what source he had received it.
http://www.menfak.no/bibelprog/vines?word=¯t0000085
http://bible.crosswalk.com/Lexicons/Greek/grk.cgi?number=3956
We find a similar usage in 2 Corinthians 6:10:
"as sorrowful, yet always rejoicing; as poor, yet making many rich; as having nothing, and yet possessing all things."
Taken out of context, one could make an argument that Paul is telling the Corinthians that they are possessing absolutely everything that exists in the whole universe, and thus they must be God Almighty.
Another similar passage is found in Jude 5.
Jude 5
hupomneesai de humas boulomai eidotas
TO REMIND BUT YOU I AM WISHING, HAVING KNOWN
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hapax panta hoti kurios laon ek gees
ONCE FOR ALL ALL, THAT LORD PEOPLE OUT OF EARTH
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aiguptou swsas to deuteron tous mee
OF EGYPT HAVING SAVED THE SECOND THE NOT
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pisteusantas apwlesen
HAVING BELIEVED HE DESTROYED,
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Of course, Jude is not saying that believers have once for all come to know absolutely everything there is to know about everything, but panta is used relative to what is being spoken of, as in John 16:30.
In conclusion, then, we find that there is nothing in John 16:30 that says that Jesus is Yahweh, or that Jesus has all the sentiency of Yahweh; instead we find that the disciples tell us that the knowledge that Jesus had been giving them is to them proof that he came from God (not that he was God.)
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*Some examples of qualifying nouns being added to the Greek word pas in the translation of the KJV: Matthew 1:23; 10:1; 12:31; Luke 11:42; Acts 10:12 - "manner of"; Matthew 24:6 - "these things"; Mark 1:37; 13:13; Luke 21:17; John 1:7; 2:24; 5:23; 11:48; 12:32; 13:35; Acts 1:24; 2:45; 4:21; 19:19; 21:28 - "men"; Mark 4:11 - "things"; Mark 12:44 - "they"; Luke 1:66; 9:23 - "them"; Luke 13:27 - "ye"; John 15:2(2nd) - "branch"; Acts 9:32 - "quarters"
Edited April 27, 2001; Updated: November, 2002; R. R. Day
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Christian love,
Ronald
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