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Date Posted: 05:58:20 08/12/02 Mon
Author: Nedra
Subject: GOOD READ FOR ALL YOU BASHERS AND BASHED PAGEANT LADIES

I have been reading these boards for more than 2 years and I have noticed a definite slide down over that time. The posts and replies have, at times, been so distasteful I regret that I poked my head in! Yall talk about Christianity and still post some disturbing and hateful comments about other Mom�s and children. Yall talk about the fun of pageants, yet you take all the fun out of it when you post an ignorant or hurtful remark. Yall laud pageants, yet you give pageants a bad name by your actions on the boards. You extol the virtues and benefits of pageantry, then bash a dedicated, hard working Director, Judge, coach, child, parent, H/M, photographer, anyone involved directly or indirectly with the sport. Yall defend against those who shout exploitation, then exploit your own children without a thought. Some of the posts I have read are more disturbing when I think that you ladies are raising children!

Pageants have changed over the past few years, and I agree with the Director that posted that some time ago. She expressed that pageantry has taken a down turn since the internet and rightfully so. The posting of messages that are hurtful, ignorant, untrue, and downright hateful are always done anonymously, thereby making it so easy for people to be hurt and no consequence for the unhappy poster.

The contribution by some Board Owners reinforcing misinformation and threats of exposure is very disturbing. Board Owners have a responsibility to monitor their boards, keep bashing off their boards, and present a wholesome picture to the public. Voy Forums expects this of all Board Owners. It is part and parcel of their agreement with Voy. If these parameters are not met Voy can and will shut down their board with no notice. Yall have seen it happen time and time again.

The list of innocent people who have been harangued, harassed, insulted, accused, threatened and made a mockery of on the boards is too lengthy to list. I am certain each of you reading this post can add to the long list of people who�s reputation was marred, who�s child was destroyed, who�s system was ruined, who�s business was questioned, who�s very presence at the next pageant was a monumental appearance after a severe bashing on these boards.

The people who bash are a select few. They post anonymously, and then accuse others of the same. They copy and paste, alter isp information, post comments about children; then they log back on and offer �unsolicited� support for their victim-anonymously. This is a recurring problem especially on pageant message boards.

I ask each and every one of you Christian spouting women; what are you teaching your children? Are you teaching them to lie, cheat, steal? To be hateful when shrouded in anonymity, then be a false prophet when facing your victim? Are you teaching them that no respect is due or earned by anyone in the pageant community? Are you teaching them that being hateful is a prerequisite for being in pageants? More importantly, are you teaching them that they, too, can and will be targets at a moments notice and they have no recourse?

I have seen the �thought for the day�, the posts about everyone loving one another, the quotes from the bible; the adorable pics of little children hugging and sharing; yet still there are hateful accusations and lies posted everyday! Have any of you visitors to message boards ever thought the reach that the internet has? It is called the �World Wide Web� expressing that it reaches WORLD WIDE! These boards are not just for a select few in pageants, they are visited by many, many people: not all savory either. Yet the mindset of the pageant community is that this is their �own private little world� and they can say whatever they want! How ignorant of all of you to think that an internet message board is a private, pageantry only vehicle. When distasteful posts are left on a board it is another message for all the world to see why pageants are frowned upon; why the consensus of opinion is exploitation of children; why the pageant community is treated as a enigma; and why pageant families still have an upward climb to acceptance and decency.

You all need to step back from your pc�s and take a look at the trash that each of you contribute to. Whether you are a basher or not, posting any comment in support of or as a contributory opinion in agreement with the nasty post, you are a contributor to the overall low opinion that has permeated pageants for many years. Pageantry will gain no respect if this is allowed to continue. Pageantry will always be viewed as a detrimental avenue for children. Fault will always be found with pageantry and each of you are to blame! No matter what side of the fence you are on, if you were to read the posts you, too, would see that ignorance and hate is bountiful and abounds on these message boards.

No one can change the world�s perception of pageantry except each of you, for your children. It�s too bad that the internet has allowed the continued demise of pageantry only because none of you can see the forest for the trees! You, and you alone, are responsible for the world�s view on pageantry. Make it acceptable.

I expect that there will be many distasteful and rude comments under this post. The attacks will abound without even a secondary or moments glance at the message I am trying to give. I ask each of you, especially those that post the Christian messages when desperation lends you no recourse; please clean up your attitudes; stop the bashing, the accusing, the hatefulness and the mean spirited comments about everyone. Do this for your children. Teach them respect, honor, integrity, and honesty. Teach them that it is uncouth and low class to bash and reply to bashes, whether in support or defense. Teach your children that pageantry can be a wholesome sport or hobby if they are in it to really build self-esteem and confidence. No one can excel by mowing down their competition.

Before you post, either to my thoughts and requests or another post, please take a moment and think about the visitors reading your posts. Anonymous or not, ignorance and degradation reeks from many of the posts. Don�t show your butts on the internet. Keep your hateful opinions to yourself. Don�t lay out your feelings for the whole world to see and judge. Don�t post it unless you are confident you COULD put your name to it! Do it for your children and the future of pageantry! GOD BLESS!

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[> This would be a great post Lisa except you are the root of a lot of the problems on the boards. Why don't you do something about it and lead the way. Stop posting the trash. -- me, 10:05:57 08/12/02 Mon

>I have been reading these boards for more than 2 years
>and I have noticed a definite slide down over that
>time. The posts and replies have, at times, been so
>distasteful I regret that I poked my head in! Yall
>talk about Christianity and still post some disturbing
>and hateful comments about other Mom�s and children.
>Yall talk about the fun of pageants, yet you take all
>the fun out of it when you post an ignorant or hurtful
>remark. Yall laud pageants, yet you give pageants a
>bad name by your actions on the boards. You extol the
>virtues and benefits of pageantry, then bash a
>dedicated, hard working Director, Judge, coach, child,
>parent, H/M, photographer, anyone involved directly or
>indirectly with the sport. Yall defend against those
>who shout exploitation, then exploit your own children
>without a thought. Some of the posts I have read are
>more disturbing when I think that you ladies are
>raising children!
>
>Pageants have changed over the past few years, and I
>agree with the Director that posted that some time
>ago. She expressed that pageantry has taken a down
>turn since the internet and rightfully so. The posting
>of messages that are hurtful, ignorant, untrue, and
>downright hateful are always done anonymously, thereby
>making it so easy for people to be hurt and no
>consequence for the unhappy poster.
>
>The contribution by some Board Owners reinforcing
>misinformation and threats of exposure is very
>disturbing. Board Owners have a responsibility to
>monitor their boards, keep bashing off their boards,
>and present a wholesome picture to the public. Voy
>Forums expects this of all Board Owners. It is part
>and parcel of their agreement with Voy. If these
>parameters are not met Voy can and will shut down
>their board with no notice. Yall have seen it happen
>time and time again.
>
>The list of innocent people who have been harangued,
>harassed, insulted, accused, threatened and made a
>mockery of on the boards is too lengthy to list. I am
>certain each of you reading this post can add to the
>long list of people who�s reputation was marred, who�s
>child was destroyed, who�s system was ruined, who�s
>business was questioned, who�s very presence at the
>next pageant was a monumental appearance after a
>severe bashing on these boards.
>
>The people who bash are a select few. They post
>anonymously, and then accuse others of the same. They
>copy and paste, alter isp information, post comments
>about children; then they log back on and offer
>�unsolicited� support for their victim-anonymously.
>This is a recurring problem especially on pageant
>message boards.
>
>I ask each and every one of you Christian spouting
>women; what are you teaching your children? Are you
>teaching them to lie, cheat, steal? To be hateful when
>shrouded in anonymity, then be a false prophet when
>facing your victim? Are you teaching them that no
>respect is due or earned by anyone in the pageant
>community? Are you teaching them that being hateful is
>a prerequisite for being in pageants? More
>importantly, are you teaching them that they, too, can
>and will be targets at a moments notice and they have
>no recourse?
>
>I have seen the �thought for the day�, the posts about
>everyone loving one another, the quotes from the
>bible; the adorable pics of little children hugging
>and sharing; yet still there are hateful accusations
>and lies posted everyday! Have any of you visitors to
>message boards ever thought the reach that the
>internet has? It is called the �World Wide Web�
>expressing that it reaches WORLD WIDE! These boards
>are not just for a select few in pageants, they are
>visited by many, many people: not all savory either.
>Yet the mindset of the pageant community is that this
>is their �own private little world� and they can say
>whatever they want! How ignorant of all of you to
>think that an internet message board is a private,
>pageantry only vehicle. When distasteful posts are
>left on a board it is another message for all the
>world to see why pageants are frowned upon; why the
>consensus of opinion is exploitation of children; why
>the pageant community is treated as a enigma; and why
>pageant families still have an upward climb to
>acceptance and decency.
>
>You all need to step back from your pc�s and take a
>look at the trash that each of you contribute to.
>Whether you are a basher or not, posting any comment
>in support of or as a contributory opinion in
>agreement with the nasty post, you are a contributor
>to the overall low opinion that has permeated pageants
>for many years. Pageantry will gain no respect if this
>is allowed to continue. Pageantry will always be
>viewed as a detrimental avenue for children. Fault
>will always be found with pageantry and each of you
>are to blame! No matter what side of the fence you are
>on, if you were to read the posts you, too, would see
>that ignorance and hate is bountiful and abounds on
>these message boards.
>
>No one can change the world�s perception of pageantry
>except each of you, for your children. It�s too bad
>that the internet has allowed the continued demise of
>pageantry only because none of you can see the forest
>for the trees! You, and you alone, are responsible for
>the world�s view on pageantry. Make it acceptable.
>
>I expect that there will be many distasteful and rude
>comments under this post. The attacks will abound
>without even a secondary or moments glance at the
>message I am trying to give. I ask each of you,
>especially those that post the Christian messages when
>desperation lends you no recourse; please clean up
>your attitudes; stop the bashing, the accusing, the
>hatefulness and the mean spirited comments about
>everyone. Do this for your children. Teach them
>respect, honor, integrity, and honesty. Teach them
>that it is uncouth and low class to bash and reply to
>bashes, whether in support or defense. Teach your
>children that pageantry can be a wholesome sport or
>hobby if they are in it to really build self-esteem
>and confidence. No one can excel by mowing down their
>competition.
>
>Before you post, either to my thoughts and requests or
>another post, please take a moment and think about the
>visitors reading your posts. Anonymous or not,
>ignorance and degradation reeks from many of the
>posts. Don�t show your butts on the internet. Keep
>your hateful opinions to yourself. Don�t lay out your
>feelings for the whole world to see and judge. Don�t
>post it unless you are confident you COULD put your
>name to it! Do it for your children and the future of
>pageantry! GOD BLESS!

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