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Date Posted: 11:27:13 06/03/05 Fri
Author: Leif Erlingsson, heretic�
Subject: I now watched 75% of his (Alex Jones) Martial Law 9/11 - Rise of the Police State
In reply to: KathyT 's message, "You'll have to watch it, Leif" on 12:29:06 05/27/05 Fri

. . . (still haven't watched the whole "911: The Road to Tyranny"), and I am actually much impressed by Alex Jones's "Martial Law 9/11 - Rise of the Police State".

If I hadn't already done some archive research myself I would not have believed this: A few years ago I ordered copies from some of the documents that show the Bush family business relations with Nazi Germany during WW II from official US Archives (using an US address), and it checked out. I had read a book about this and needed to know if it was true. It is. They were even involved in planning Auschwitz (from my own studies). "Martial Law 9/11 - Rise of the Police State" mentions how IBM contributed the computing machinery needed to calculate who should die immediately and how much the others could be worked before being killed.

I also have copies of several other documents mentioned in the film. I already did the fact-checking so I feel confident saying that several seemingly preposterous claims in the film is true as stated. Like the Northwood documents. I have had copies for years. One thing he claims that I have not checked is that he claims that Communism was started by the same conspirators, in order to control us. Since I have not investigated I really don't have any opinion on this (yet). And what someone on this board said about the UN, and perhaps was mentioned in "911: The Road to Tyranny", I have not investigated and therefore I feel that perhaps it's best to postpone opinions on this. I'll have to investigate, so if anyone have info, email me! ( leif@lege.com )

ANYWAY, what I wanted to contribute was that I have finally understood that what is going on now isn't something that have historical parallels with what happened in Nazi Germany, like I used to think. No, it's the continuation in the United States of what failed back then. The General that was supposed to overthrow the US government in the 1930's just stayed in the conspiracy playing along long enough to get all the names of the conspirators, then blew the whistle to Congress. Perhaps it was even this that caused the US to go to war with Germany? (They had prior knowledge of Pearl Harbor, it was even in the New York Times in it's special 12/8/41 Pearl Harbor edition, on page 13, where it was reported that the time and place of the attack had been known in advance.) Anyway, all the ideals, the families, the secret societies are still there. Both Bush & Kerry....

History is not repeating itself, it is resuming where it was interrupted. We could all have been living in the Third Reich for 70 years now, had things turned out differently...

I have also received some more info & analysis of the US Gulags around the globe. A few years back a Canadian computer specialist was taken prisoner at a US airport where he was supposed to switch planes -- he wasn't even going to or from the US (airports ought to be international territory) -- and was sent off to Syria for torture. Today I learnt that Canada was asked to imprison him, in which case he would have been sent there instead, but since there was no legal reason for that, Canada refused. Sweden was coerced to let the US fly two residents to Egypt for torture. The analysis is that those countries who refuse to set up their own Gulags are forced to send those people the US want imprisoned and tortured to Gulags selected by the US. (One of those countries have as it's specialty to boil people to death. I've seen images of thusly boiled people, and it isn't pretty. It was actually aired on Swedish Television but not in a newsprogram, only in a documentary that practically noone watches.)

What is very interesting to me is to study the denial. I suppose you all are aware that there are less flattering items in LDS history as well? The denial many LDS exhibit in front of such material has helped me immensely in understanding the broader denial in society. If a **** MAJOR **** problem affecting his/her/their entire preconceptions is presented to a person/public thus in denial he/she/they will refuse to see it. They definitely will never repeat it. They never speak of it. They bury it in silence. But the thing is that they are UNAWARE that they do this. It happens subconsciously! Read Orwell's Nineteen-Eighty Four, he understood! At the newsdesks they (well, maybe Fox is an exception;)) don't censor consciously -- at least not (yet) in Sweden. But they act exactly as a Jehovah's Witness, a Moonie or whatever follower of some manipulative system who BURIES IN SILENCE that which must be denied because it doesn't fit with our world-view, how we figure things fit together.

Besides, if it would have been true, it would be all over the headlines. It isn't, so therefore it can't be true.... And since all thinks like so; compact silence!

Ghandi understood this. He said, "First they will ignore you. Then they will ridicule you. Then they will fight you. Then you win."

He who interprets what's real has the power. People voluntarily give away their democratic rights when they believe other people's interpretations. My grandfather thought independently. He saw through Stalin's extermination of farmers already 1932. It's no rocket science to use the brain! He was just a farmer. But the thing is that one must TRUST NOONE (and that includes oneself). Most people want to trust others. Therefore the world is mad. Therefore man is to be pitied.

THINK! Say that a spade is a spade, that stone is hard, that water is wet, regardless of ideological, religious or other loyalties. Believe in an objective reality! Be as the little child who saw and said the simple truth: "The Emperor is naked!". The Truth Shall Set Us Free!

Leif Erlingsson, heretic�.

``In times of universal deceit, telling the truth will be a revolutionary act.'' -- George Orwell

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Not so impressed, anymore! -- Leif Erlingsson, heretic�, 02:18:54 06/08/05 Wed