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Date Posted: 16:53:58 06/18/05 Sat
Author: all
Subject: responses
In reply to: clr 's message, "I don't know if this has been discussed before, but just rewatched "Mr Rabb Goes to Washington". What's the consensus here, did Harm and Bobby have HMS? In the following ep (People vs Mac) they have a "Harm, you've been avoiding me, yes let's just be friends" scene. But I've never been able to settle in my mind if they did or they didn't. I don't like thinking of Harm having one night stands. But then again, he is a man. What do you think?" on 16:38:17 06/18/05 Sat

It would depend on which camp you are in and whether or not you live on HABNDII. (NT) -- Em-Jay who thinks not., 05:58:41 06/16/05 Thu

Since I believe Harm has more integrity than to engage in a one night stand with a congresswoman, or anyone for that matter, so I am going to say no they didn't, but that is just my opinion. (NT) -- JAG Junkie--if he was that carefree with his sex life, he and Mac would have had HMS a long time ago! LOL!, 06:53:36 06/16/05 Thu

ah --- the many islands... LOL. Judging by the awkwardness of their interactions and the comment from Bobby - 'except for the obvious' - or something like that - I am probably on that they did it island. But - it has been said that it is actually written in the sides of one of that season's scripts - that they did it. - Of course I've never seen it myself - and even though I suspect they did - I try not to dwell on it.... LOL (NT) -- Chris K - who suspects this was somewhere between that fighter jock -dress whites and gold wings will get you into bed anywhere attitude - and the more mature lawyer we grew to love as well.... lol, 07:03:17 06/16/05 Thu

All that matters is what was actually shown or said - sides and bibles notwithstanding. They didn't show H&B in bed. They didn't even show them heading to bed or lying in bed afterwards like they did with Mac and Clay. They didn't talk about having been intimate. All we have to go on is what was shown and what was said. That being the case - they did not "do it." (NT) -- Jane - who thinks this argument always gets used to try and lower Harm's standards., 08:56:23 06/16/05 Thu

Well, not to get into a debate but the "bible" of the show apparently says, yuppers, they sure did. So did the actress who played Bobbi when she appeared at a JFF a few years back. Now, as always, all HB's are free to live on whatever Isla of Denile they wish, but that's the "scoop." Personally, I never thought a guy Harm's age was going to blow off his obviously very troubled best friend just to eat some pasta. (NT) -- CM>^.,.^< Hey, I love Harm, but deep down, I don't think his "hormonal compass" was any more exacting than most single guy's, until maybe the last couple of years of the show, 07:05:07 06/16/05 Thu

Oh, and I should point out per fearless Skipper of the SSDS, "De "NILE" ain't just a river in Egypt"--however you choose to spell it, lol! (NT) -- CM>^.,.^<, 07:08:05 06/16/05 Thu

Yes, Bobby did say "Beyond the obvious". But I'm still feeling creepy about Harm doing a one nighter with a Congresswoman. Seems so TOTALLY out of character. IMHO (NT) -- clr, 07:09:21 06/16/05 Thu

As for Harm's behavior - you have to remember he was a fighter pilot and more than once in season one and two he mentioned - 'you know what they say about dress whites and gold wings - they'll get you into bed anywhere' he said that like a man who expected results.. LOL (NT) -- Chris K - It was part of his youthful charm in season one and two..., 07:52:43 06/16/05 Thu

Bobbie wasn't just a "congresswoman" to Harm, she was a friend. They had a working relationship and didn't hate each other. Why invite her over for dinner instead of meeting at a restaurant? Personally, I have no problem w/ a single guy like Harm, at that time in his life, having a consensual evening w/ an attractive woman. Better yet, they were adult enough to realize nothing could come of it and stayed on good terms. (NT) -- The Chief, 08:20:14 06/16/05 Thu

PLUS (answering my own post cuz I forgot to go inside), take a look at two other eps for more back-up. The one where Sturgis becomes Bobbie's adviser, her hemming and hawing about how things were between her and Harm when Harm was in that position gives a clue. AND in the ep where Renee's recruiting video is debuted, Renee', Mac and Bobbie are all chatting and laughing and AJ says to Harm: "The only thing those three have in common, Commander, is YOU." Ah! (NT) -- The Chief (settling in my chair under a palm tree on the lovely beach on H&BDDII), 08:23:34 06/16/05 Thu

Chief, while I agree that they may have done the deed, the inclusion of Mac in that threesome is also proof that Harm and Bobbie may NOT have done it, since certainly Mac and Harm hadn't!. I don't know why we have to presume that it had to have been the whole enchilada either. Certainly there used to be a number of things between a kiss and afterglow, but maybe a horndog FJ doesn't know that.. Also their awkwardness later could be attributed to what was the start of a relationship, but one that just couldn't be sustained. I don't think Harm liked being Bobbie's "boy". (NT) -- TH who's now humming the "I wanna be Bobby's girl....", 12:17:34 06/16/05 Thu

Maybe I'm just wishing I were Bobbie and getting to meet Harm halfway. I do feel it was more than a kiss, otherwise, why would she be so uncomfortable at the Lincoln Memorial, or when drilling Sturgis about what Harm had told him about her? I do think she wanted more, wanted a guy like Harm, but I think it was very adult of both of them to realize that intimacy would only cause problems for both of them. (NT) -- The Chief, 12:48:21 06/16/05 Thu

I LOL every time I see the "totally out of character" as it applies to Harm. I think it is totally IN CHARACTER for Harm to have one night stands when he's fairly young, single, and still looking for the right person in his life. Harm was a fighter pilot - of course he had one-nighters, and probably plenty of them. It's not a criticism of his character, but accepting reality. I haven't seen anything about Harm's earlier (pre-JAG) years to suggest otherwise, and he still definitely thought of himself as a pilot first, lawyer second. (NT) -- NanaSue, 11:40:44 06/16/05 Thu

Yeah, NS, FJ's do have a hard time getting rid of that "image" of themselves. That damned movie didn't help even if it WAS 20 years ago. ITA, it wouldn't be out of character for H to have the occassional one nighter. I DO think he had the class to(at least to himself)admit that both "going there" with BL was a mistake, since he wasn't into "more" with her and that blowing off Mac to get laid was a HUGE mistake. Mac virtually never asked anyone for help, and with 20/20 hindsight, he saw it wasn't the best decision he could have made. (NT) -- CM>^.,.^<, 13:54:51 06/16/05 Thu

Did he even know Mac was there for that? I thought he'd been spending his time on the Hill so he didn't know what was going on with Mac per se. Or is that one of those times that Harm was supposed to be a mind reader? lol! I believe they didn't do IT, but did some heavy petting instead which is why they were awkward with each other afterwards. (NT) -- Bree, 15:19:00 06/16/05 Thu

I can't speak for CM, but I do remember that Mac went by his place to talk the night Harm was making pasta for Bobbi. He kinda blew her off when even Bobbi noticed that Mac needed to talk. (NT) -- Carrotts, 15:39:47 06/16/05 Thu

Well, even BOBBI, who didn't know Mac well KNEW something was very wrong--imo, because BOBBI was also the type who wouldn't ask for help except in the most dire of circumstances. I don't think it took a mindreader to know that Mac was extreamly troubled about something that night--Harm's thoughts were just 'otherwise occupied.' IMHO, Harm pretty much always knew when Mac came to him without notice, it wasn't ever just to chat, she showed up for a reason. (NT) -- CM>^.,.^< the times H blew M off at his door for another woman I wanted to brain him-Renee, MAYBE, Bobbi,Alicia, no excuse, 15:55:10 06/16/05 Thu

icky he had a one nighter with a congresswoman but still we're lucky most of those ladies were not shown proof that TPTB gives lots of passes to their golden boys than the female characters.I remembered all those name calling on Harm too among fans. (NT) -- Paash, 13:44:16 06/16/05 Thu

I don't know what's weirder, my being on the board this early or all the rest of you being here as well. OK, so Harm and Bobby did it. She did have a sad look when she hugged him in People vs Mac. I don't think she really wanted to break it off. Kinda makes her subsequent liasion with Sturgis a little weird. Thanks for the input. Any other thoughts on this would be greatly entertaining! (NT) -- clr, 07:17:05 06/16/05 Thu

There is some interaction between Bobbi and Sturgis (I completely draw a blank on which episode) where it appears she is somewhat concerned about exactly "what" Harm told Sturgis about her. He (Sturgis) says something along the lines of she was tough but fair to work with or something like that, ie, what Harm said about her was nothing personal. Bobbi appears to relax. (NT) -- CM>^.,.^<, 08:09:46 06/16/05 Thu

Since we didn't see Harm and Bobbi get any closer that the dining room table, I think it's possible that they didn't do it. However, given the later awkwardness in a couple of episodes, I think it's fair to say that if they didn't do it, they got awfully darn close. (NT) -- Ann, 10:28:58 06/16/05 Thu

IIRC, they were sitting on the couch, wine glasses in hand, talking about "compromise" and "meeting halfway" when Harm started to do just that - meet her halfway. You could see the kiss just a'waitin' on his lips as he leaned toward her! (that part may have been cut by USA) (NT) -- The Chief, 10:33:48 06/16/05 Thu

I've never really understood the controversy over this. Harm is a big boy--well over 30 when we first meet him. If he did (and I'm sure he did) have a one nighter with Bobbi, I'm sure she wasn't the first, or probably the last. IMHO, Harm had plenty of ladies we never saw, Mac probably had bf's we know nothing about. I seriously doubt we were supposed to think Harm had been celebate after Renee up until FWAFS. I would be somewhat unnatural. We were never given any reason to believe Harm had any compunction about sex before marriage, in or out of a committed relationship. (NT) -- CM>^.,.^<, 10:54:35 06/16/05 Thu

I think its pretty obvious that Harm & Bobbi did have a night together....From Bobbi's reaction in the next episode, to Sturgis comments later on, I do believe that they were intimate. I've also heard that there was waaaay more in the original script to this episode that *proved* that Harm & Bobbi did indeed have sex, but was edited out of the episode probably due to time constraints. It really doesn't matter, Harm & Bobbi were consenting adults, neither was married or involved with others, it was a one-nighter between consenting adults. No biggie here.... (NT) -- Jennifer, 11:00:32 06/16/05 Thu

I have never understood why this relationship, in whatever form it was supposed to take, is such a big issue. If H and B had sex, who said it was a one night stand? As we don't know if they had sex, how can we know anything about how many times? To my mind, Bobbie and Harm were attracted to eachother, and they dated. They liked eachother too. It was hardly a case of "slam, bam, thank you Ma'am." They were both good people, but they realized that it was not going to work out for them. Why do we have to agonize over it? Also, what's with the gender stereotypes? Men are no more mindless dickheads any more than we women are manipulators who need men to keep us out of trouble. I love being a woman, and I love and respect other women. But then I love men too. I have had plenty of good role models, because I don't see men and women as stereotypes. Maybe that comes from having 4 sisters, 3 brothers, the equivalent number of brothers and sisters in-law, 10 nieces, 9 nephews (and all their spouses). A mother, a father, a husband (and his two brothers and one sister and two nieces),.......need I go on? The point is, Harm was a decent man who had relationships in his 40 yrs, and Bobbie was a decent woman who fell for him. Unfortunately for Bobbie, Harm didn't feel the same about her. But I don't see him as using her as a one night sex mate. He hurt her without meaning to, and felt bad about not wanting to continue their relationship.(NT)---- Cece, 11:58:48 06/16/05 Thu

ITA! It's not as if Harm met some woman at MacMurphy's and took her home to bed. These were two consenting adults who had known each other, were friends, and had flirted for years. IMO Harm came off much better for saying right away that it wasn't going to work as opposed to how his relationship with Renee played out. (NT) -- Carrotts, 13:28:30 06/16/05 Thu

Harm and Bobbi did do it per production notes. But this is what JAG does. If the scene ends in the middle of a kiss, I assume they did it like in PvR and of course with Mac in the finale. If they pull away, they didn't do it. I have no problem with Harm doing it with Bobbi. Their flirtation went on for two years before and it had to happen, but Harm did get HMSremorse and started avoiding Bobbi. He didn't handle that one well at all. It was more then a flirtation for Bobbi because of what she said later on. (NT) -- judi, 11:58:48 06/16/05 Thu

imho, production notes are not canon. Neither is something that an actress said to fans. The only thing that I take as canon - and what most fandoms take as canon --- is what is shown on screen or what the person who created the characters state to be fact. So if the production notes state they did it, nope --- it wasn't *shown* on camera. Ditto with an actress saying it. We didnt' see it on camera. Not with Harm and Bobbi= not with Harm and Mac. We saw Mac accept Dalton's invite to spend the night with him in New York. We saw Mac invite Mic to stay the night. We saw Mac and Webb in bed together We saw Harm and Annie removing clothes and the morning after. We saw Renee come out of Harm's shower in a towel. If the writers wanted us to *know* that Harm and Bobbi *did it*, then they would have shown more to do that. They didn't. So, therefore, I guess I"m on that HABDDII. *grin* No, there's nothing wrong with Harm sleeping with someone other than Mac. But I never liked Bobbi. Sorry. I never liked Renee, either, but the writers *showed* me that she and Harm were having an intimate relationship, so I had to accept that. Why was Bobbi so nervous when Sturgis and she talked? I don't know. Maybe because she and Harm engaged in some heavy petting(after that kiss) and she would have gone further if Harm hadn't broken it off. But it's still all speculation. Maybe if we *ever* get the DVDs, then DPB will do a commentary on the eps and will let us know one way or the other. But I doubt it. I think this is just another way he chose to go to create more controversy in the fandom, something he was very good at doing.(NT)--nancyeddy, 12:30:02 06/16/05 Thu

I disagree nancyeddy because scripts dont lie just like any DJE and cast productions scoops they share with us are not lies. Classic movies and shows in the 60's,70's even some shows today dont show the love scenes but then babies come on the scene so its us to the audience to fill in the blanks.That's what made many shows and movies tasteful in the past because its up to our imaginations;unlike today most stuff are tacky and in our faces.There were no HMS onscreen with M&S of X-files so are you saying baby William came about because they only played chess most of the time? (NT) -- StephanieY, 02:11:14 06/17/05 Fri

I always thought they did it. I assume the general public who doesn't have a vested interest in anyone's character thought they did it. The writers and the actors and the actresses involved agree that they did it-- but what used to be so nice was that we could have a great big HABDDII-- and a whole lot of people could decide to live on it because it was FUN-- and silly and nobody seemed to take it too seriously. I never lived on the island-- but I always enjoyed rowing past it and waving at all my friends that lived there. Somewhere along the way things got way too serious..IMO.. (NT) -- manette, 12:11:22 06/16/05 Thu

Well, I'm one of those who always believed that Harm and Bobbie had a short affair. I never believed it was only a one night stand, but perhaps a two or three times event. That episode didn't take place all in one day. Harm did handle it badly--he was embarrassed because he realized that Bobbie was expecting more than he could give her. As for the Island of denial--I'm perfectly content being on my own little island.(NT)-- abrah, 13:43:03 06/16/05 Thu

I always thought that, what we saw, wasn't just the impression of one night stands but the beginning of a short relationship b/w Harm and Bobbie. That could explain the sentence you quote. (NT) -- f.l., 15:20:12 06/16/05 Thu

I'm going to have to go with the "I didn't see it, so I don't believe it happened" argument. I guess the bottom line is we can all choose to believe what we want based on our own interpretations and what we *want* to have happened in between the scenes we saw. (NT) -- JAG Junkie, 17:32:17 06/16/05 Thu

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