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Date Posted: 07:28:43 07/11/02 Thu
Author: Robert
Subject: Re: evidence disappearing
In reply to: Dave Johnson 's message, "evidence disappearing" on 14:35:32 07/10/02 Wed

Hi Dave,

Take a look here: http://geocities.yahoo.com.br/sobresrichinmoy/english/

I hope that some more of the testimonials will be posted there! I also hope Yahoo doesn't kill this site.

I agree it is not the same as having 3000 messages.

Good luck with your friend. If he tells you that you are in the mind tell him that it doesn't change reality. The fact is that even if he wants to speculate till the cows come home this is the TRUTH. When people get into complex spiritual philosophy the basic reality is USUALLY lost in the mix. The idea of having complete control by understanding the ENTIRE universe is intoxicating and makes people feel special. Ask Shree a question and he will ALWAYS have an answer. There is nothing he does not know apparently. Ask him what your first reptile incarnation was and he will know. It is such a sad situation and so many kind sweet people are mislead, now they are clones of him. Watch the newest Star Wars movie and you will have an idea of what is going on.
The only way to get to these disciples to see this as real is to tell them that if they refuse to investigate the allegations then they have no right to speculate on if they are true or not. To believe that the allegations are false because the great master says so is a pile of crapolla. Of course getting a blind person to see is futile sometimes. I hope your friend has some vision left. Don't be afraid to express yourself strongly and don't start debating about religion, spirituality and so on. The facts are what is important. He will try to steer you away from this topic over and over. He will tell you that you are in the MIND. OH how horrible!

The really tragic part is that many people have found safety and comfort in this rather special little society. It is like a cocoon for them. It is actually a place which can have joy in it at times and the sense of community can also be very strong. It is like a big family for those who like (or liked it)it. Many of those who have been ejected or have left feel angry now, but deep down many miss their friends and the cultural society that they found themselves in previously. Beneath this anger there is sadness which most do not want to see. This feeling of disconnectedness is what makes many try to "get back" at Shree when in fact it is an inverse reaction to feeling partially alone in the world. I support the outpouring of facts and information. My feeling is that even if people who have left miss their friends and their former life in the cult they would never choose to return, but none of this is conscious. I think this inverse reaction is beyond all logic, even those who experience it do not like what they are feeling or have control over it. Most ex's have loved Shree DEEPLY for 10-20 years, of course these feelings of the past have left tracks. Even a battered wife will reflect on the initial feelings that she had for the husband at the start of the relationship. Those feelings at the start were valid and real also. It is all so sad. Such special people have gotten mislead. The question is what enabled them to get mislead in the first place. This is THE QUESTION to meditate on. I think that it is a very sad situation and I hope people move on once they accept the feelings of sadness and loss. Those who have left must at some point feel and accept everything withing themselves in order to work through those issues. Those who have left must learn pity those who are still followers of Shree and move on at some point within themselves. The intention of making this information known to the world at large is in itself a good thing. The way things are done are based on intention. Lashing out is an initial phase which must be worked through, it is a natural phase, but will eventually darken our spirit and block divinity from moving within us. Aum Shanti (as Yoda would say, may the force be with you)

If any disciples are reading this. I am part of the divine just as you are. I am not in my mind. As soon as you stop to question you stop being a spiritual seeker. A true spiritual person is always adjusting and learning in a dynamic fashion. I implore those who still follow Shree to be dynamic, to be flexible and open your minds to how SHREE has in FACT conducted himself. Sometimes our true selves are displayed in our actions, unfortunately most of the testimonials and short messages are no longer available but many of those spoke about Shree's actions. Those actions shed some light on an alternate side to him that should also be looked at. It is true that Shree has some energy but this does not mean that he is an AVATAR or a good person. As you know some very bad people can also have strong energy. We know from thousands of years that people have understood energy in many cultures, and have used this energy for many sordid purposes. Life is a mixed bag and so is good and bad sometimes mixed together. Even the terms good and bad are too simple sometimes. This is the suchness of life and it must be accepted. Some Indian dude that I like said that.

Robert

>I have a friend in San Francisco who is a 12 year
>devoted follower of Chinmoy. I just made contact with
>him yesterday with the intent of gathering all the
>evidence on the sites before I break it to him...The
>sites are disapearing before my eyes!!!!!!!!!!
>
>Someone please tell me that you have this stuff
>archived and where it can be found.

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thanks Robert -- Dave Johnson, 11:04:56 07/12/02 Fri