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Date Posted: 18:22:10 12/01/04 Wed
Author: STEWART DAVIS
Subject: Re: Is the Bible the literal word of God?
In reply to: Bijoy 's message, "Re: Is the Bible the literal word of God?" on 22:23:38 10/18/03 Sat

>People on this discussion board are close to the
>truth. Those who have been given extra insights from
>God notably on the concept of Purgatory (as a
>Catholic) or the intermediate state that God has
>allowed for those unable to bear His truth-bearing
>light after death go one better.
>(1) No-one is going to hell if they are good people
>whether Christian, Muslim, Jew or Hindu. The closest
>version to an explanation of what happens after death
>can be found in Catholicism or even the visions of the
>great Indian Sikh Christian convert - Sadhu Sundar
>Singh and he was not Catholic - all good people (if
>they are not saints on earth) after death will go to
>an intermediate spirit state between Heaven and Hell
>as they are not yet prepared for the blinding light of
>the Creator. They will be given wisdom from Christ and
>His angels, and most will gravitate towards that
>light, the wicked however will hide themselves in the
>darkness because the light will show them exactly as
>they are and they will not want to see it and be led
>away out of fear of that light, gravitating towards
>the evil spirits of the dark who will take them away
>into eternal hellfire. Buddhists who do not believe in
>God are more likely to go into Hell than anyone else
>if they continue to reject the existence of God even
>in that intermediate state. Even a good rational
>philosopher who
>does not believe in God will be given a chance to
>apply his rationality (through his limited mind of
>course)in that intermediate state and given a chance
>to know God as soon as he desires it. Then he may
>reject Him at his own peril. This is the general fate
>of unprepared souls, God even in the spirit state
>gives them a choice! This essentially means that after
>good Christians, the ones who are close to God (though
>not as close) are good Muslims because they respect
>Jesus, albeit in a incomplete sense as another prophet
>instead of the finite divine revelation of God to man.
>(2) Science and religion do not mix, Hindu and Islamic
>texts have more correct science in them than Christian
>or Jewish texts, in Christian texts analogies are used
>not as scientific proof but to explain man's
>relationship to God according to the dominant
>scientific thinking at that time, hence a true
>religious text must talk about spirituality, not make
>scientific arguments, since there is no rational
>scientific way to explain God.
>Remember Only God can explain God, no man has seen Him
>except the man who came from Him - Jesus Christ to
>make Him known. (Can the Finite (man)see the Infinite
>(God) ?)
>God does not ask you to rationalise the Father and the
>Son, but to believe, any attempt at rationalizing a
>revelation from God is doomed to failure. The miracles
>that manifest from God are the proof. God has been
>kind to give some saints a vision of the afterlife.
>Its never Heaven or Hell only but also a place where
>one can eventually learn to enjoy the Light of the
>Creator if one has died unprepared for Jesus and God.

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[> [> [> Re: Is the Bible the literal word of God? -- KC, 12:39:12 12/05/04 Sun

Mr. Stewart says, "No-one is going to hell if they are good people
>>whether Christian, Muslim, Jew or Hindu. The closest
>>version to an explanation of what happens after death
>>can be found in Catholicism or even the visions of the
>>great Indian Sikh Christian convert - Sadhu Sundar
>>Singh and he was not Catholic - all good people (if
>>they are not saints on earth) after death will go to
>>an intermediate spirit state between Heaven and Hell
>>as they are not yet prepared for the blinding light of
>>the Creator. They will be given wisdom from Christ and
>>His angels, and most will gravitate towards that
>>light, the wicked however will hide themselves in the
>>darkness because the light will show them exactly as
>>they are and they will not want to see it and be led
>>away out of fear of that light, gravitating towards
>>the evil spirits of the dark who will take them away
>>into eternal hellfire."

1)The bible states the following:
Ecclesiastes 12:7
Then shall the dust return to the earth as it was: and the spirit shall return unto God who gave it.

Upon death everybody returns the Father who created us. Men and Women were all created by Him regardless of the religion they practice.

2)Reading Luke chapter 16:19-31

Furthermore in Luke 16:26 talking about the beggar and the rich man it says,
And beside all this, between us and you there is a great gulf fixed: So that they which would pass from hence to you cannot; neither can they pass to us, that would come from thence.

God is very clear about where you wind up after death and used Lazarus and the rich man as an example. Those who are saved under the blood of Christ will be seperated by a gulf or chasm. One must follow the Word and not the traditions of men for man is corrupt and mortal, but God's Word is truth and eternal.

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