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Date Posted: 10:12:38 01/22/10 Fri
Author: Jeffman
Subject: Re: I'll bet we are fighting in Yemen in less than five years
In reply to: Paul Davis 's message, "I'll bet we are fighting in Yemen in less than five years" on 04:48:03 01/22/10 Fri


I would definetly be intrested in the scorecard for the mideast..

And I wouldnt take that bet.


>Any takers?
>
>If y'all like, I'll post a scorecard I wrote up for
>the MidEast, to explain the basic religo/politico
>structure here. If you read it, you'll be able to
>answer the questions:
>
>Is Al Qaeda a Sunni or Shiite organization? The
>Taliban? Who do they really look up to as an example?
> And what can we expect from Iran.
>
>>
>>
>>Good points, Jeff,but we would not be in such deep doo
>>doo if we had not entered two wars without paying for
>>them. Now,I see the Adminstration is doing the same
>>thing.
>>
>>If the war is ended soon I will agree,but I do not
>>think it will. I see this Administration just
>>following along with what we have had the last 8
>years.
>>
>>You will have to excuse me, I am not thrilled with
>>either party at this time.And I blame Congress for
>>most of it, with Obama sharing some of the blame.I
>>think he is trying,but the Lobbyists are too much in
>>control. His secret deal with PHARMA and the Insurance
>>companies at the beginning was a big mistake.
>>On the financial mess I think he is doing OK.
>>
>>
>>
>>>I am for increasing the troop strength in
>Afghanistan.
>>>What we cant do is walk away from this as if it didnt
>>>happen. We have done it before and what we get is
>>>having to go back in years from now again.
>>>
>>>So although I long for peace.... unless we are
>willing
>>>to shut our borders period, we wont have it unless we
>>>follow through in Afghanistan. We can end the wars
>but
>>>we have to end them the correct way. Abandoning the
>>>peoples of these countries to the despots that will
>>>take control if we do leave is the wrong answer.
>>>
>>>Second.. do you really think that money for the war
>>>would have been spent on education and healthcare? We
>>>didnt spend that money there during the economic boom
>>>periods.. why would we do so in any other time?
>>>
>>>>I am not a Tom Hayden fan,but he makes sense in this
>>>>one.
>>>>
>>>>Dear Mary,
>>>>
>>>>As another year of war rolls in, I want to thank PDA
>>>>for its continuing pressure on the pillars of power
>>>>which prevents these wars from escalating further
>and
>>>>poses an important political obstacle to the
>Pentagon
>>>>and Administration.
>>>>
>>>>It’s not simple. Study is required, to be sure.
>>>>
>>>>But the Long War of fifty years against Muslim
>>>>countries where radical Islamists operate, and where
>>>>the oil flows through tankers and pipelines, is not
>>>>hard to grasp. That’s a continuous war through 13
>>>>future American presidential elections.
>>>>
>>>>If Bilmes and Stiglitz project a three trillion
>>dollar
>>>>cost for Iraq and Afghanistan, you have to wonder
>>>>where the money is coming from. It’s from education
>>>>and health care, for starters. If 6,274 Americans
>>have
>>>>died in Iraq and Afghanistan thus far, it’s not hard
>>>>to imagine 10,000 dead by Obama’s second term.
>>>>
>>>>That is, if the president wins a second term. The
>>hope
>>>>of the Obama presidency depends on ending these
>wars.
>>>>The hope of our domestic agenda depends on ending
>>>>these wars as well.
>>>>
>>>>Obama has offered us a centrist proposal, to which
>we
>>>>should pay close attention. On the one hand, he is
>>>>sending 30,000 more troops to Afghanistan, which we
>>>>should urge Congress to oppose by supporting Barbara
>>>>Lee’s HR 3699 (to cut funding) and Jim McGovern’s HR
>>>>2404 (exit strategy). On the other hand, he proposes
>>>>to begin withdrawing troops in 18 months, which we
>>>>should support and hold him to. No one in the
>>anti-war
>>>>movement supports the President’s escalation, but we
>>>>should be very aware that his withdrawal plan,
>>however
>>>>weak, is his concession to the peace movement and is
>>>>absolutely loathed by the Long War advocates.
>>>>
>>>>Don’t forget Iraq, where the president is on track
>to
>>>>withdraw all American troops, and where political
>>>>ambushes lie ahead. Nor Pakistan and Yemen, where
>>>>secret wars, secret deaths and secret costs are
>being
>>>>hidden by the master of secret operations, Gen.
>>>>McChrystal (whose five years in Iraq are
>classified).
>>>>
>>>>The Cheneys and Liebermans and Fox News want to
>chase
>>>>al-Qaeda from Iraq to Afghanistan to Pakistan to
>>Yemen
>>>>in a weird revival of the old domino theory. It’s
>>>>almost as if our hawks are agents of al-Qaeda, so
>>>>thoroughly do they pursue the al-Qaeda strategy of
>>>>exhausting the American economy and stretching our
>>>>armed forces to the breaking point.
>>>>
>>>>Here are two ways you can help the peace effort go
>>>>forward: first, sign and circulate this petition and
>>>>join The Peace Exchange (for now, go to my website,
>>>>www.tomhayden.com). In addition to pressuring
>>Congress
>>>>and the administration, these are ways to link up
>>with
>>>>a global peace alliance pressuring the NATO war
>>>>alliance, city by city, country by country.
>>>>
>>>>Thank you for persevering for peace. The Long War
>>will
>>>>require a longer peace and justice movement.
>>>>
>>>>For peace and justice,
>>>>
>>>>Tom Hayden
>>>>PDA Advisory Board member

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