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Date Posted: 09:47:20 10/08/02 Tue
Author: Naqthan DuBois
Subject: Re: Questions #3 & #4
In reply to: Pastor Reckart 's message, "Re: Questions #3 & #4" on 16:18:31 10/01/02 Tue

>Jesus predicted the Kingdom of God would come with
>power (Mark 9:10). He predicted the power would come
>with the Holy Ghost (Acts 1:8). The Holy Ghost came
>on the day of Pentecost (Acts 2:1-4), therefore the
>Kingdom came on the day of Pentecost. Peter had the
>keys to this Kingdom. The Church of Matthew 16:18 is
>the Kingdom of Mathew 16:19.

Response: I also do not agree with PFP saying it always existed.
But it is Mark 9:1
Let's get the context.
Mark 8:38 "For whoever is ashamed of me and my words IN THIS adulterous and sinfull generation, of him the Son of Man will be ahamed WHEN HE COMES IN THE GLORY OF HIS FATHER WITH HIS ANGELS."
9:1 "And He said to them 'Assuredly I say to you there are some standing here who will not taste death till they see the kingdom of God present with power."
Parallel
Matt 16: 27 For the Son of man is to come with his angels in the glory of his Father, and then he will repay every man for what he has done. 28 Truly, I say to you, there are some standing here who will not taste death before they see the Son of man coming in his kingdom."

You tell me, did He come at pentacost with His angels? Did He judge at that time "every man for what he has done?"

Pentacost was NOT the fulfillment of Mark 9:1 or Matt 16:27-28.
And Acts 1:8 does not say the Holy Spirit would be the power of Mark 9. YOU incorrectly made that link.

The Messianic Kingdom
>was unlike any other because Jesus was King over this
>Kingdom and it could not have existed before he
>established it and came riding into Jerusalem on an
>ass as the multitudes cried Hossana, Blessed is he
>that cometh in the name of the Lord. This was
>Israel's King coming and it was the time of the
>Kingdom to be ushered in. There is a difference in the
>existace of a nation and a Kingdom. Israel was a
>nation because it had no king. It can be a kingdom
>ONLY WHEN IT HAS A KING!

Christ was a king who was ushering in His kingdom from His minisrty start. I'll go that far. But it was "coming" being ushered (a process) in, "at hand."
As in my response to question #1, it was NOT fulfilled until ALL was put under His feet. ALL referd to death, and death was not under his feet until 1 Corinthians 15:51-56 and the destruction of the Mosaic law system which had run become apostate to even the Old Covenant!

>"Jesus answered and said unto him, Verily, verily, I
>say unto thee, Except a man be born again, he cannot
>see the Kingdom of God. (5)...Jesus answered, Verily,
>verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born of water
>and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the Kingdom of
>God" (John 3:3-5)

THis DOES NOT say that "WHEN a man is born again he at that time sees the kingdom"
You are twisting the verses you just posted to fit your agenda. It merely says being born again is the prerequisite for seeing the kingdom.
But they would not see the kingdom until the Parousia.
Being "born again" is not the entrance itself, but prerequisite FOR the entrance. And Revelation calls it the first resurrection.

>"But when they believed Philip preaching the things
>concerning the Kingdom of God, and the name of Jesus
>Christ, they were baptized, both men and women" (Acts
>8:12).

Again it does not say they AT THAT TIME entered the kingdom, they simply believed the truth of the kingdom and were baptised. Again, a prerequisite, not the entrance itself.

>There are many New Testament text mentioning the
>Kingdom of God existing during the time before 70AD
>(acts 14:22, 19:8, 20:25, 28:23, 28:31, Rom 14:17,
>1Cor 6:9,10; 15:50, Col 1:13, 4:12, 1Thes 2:12, 2Thes
>1:5, Heb 1:8, 12:28, James 2:5, 2Pet 1:11, Rev. 1:9).
>All point to an existing Kingdom prior to 70AD.
Again, your references say they must "endure many tribulations to enter" "persuaded them concerning the kigdom" "preaching the kingdom" "for the kingdom is" "inherit the kingdom" etc.
None declare it present, the language of YOUR OWN verses hint to it as Christ Himslef did as "coming" "at hand"

Faith is the substance of things HOPED FOR!!
But if they already had it, they didn't need faith.

>Answer: YES! The Bible, and therefore preterism,
>teaches that the Gospel, which sole purpose is to be
>preached to inners who dwell on earth (Revelation
>14:6), is EVERLASTING. It has no �use by� or
>�Expiration" date. It was given to �ALWAYS� be
>preached, forever.

How true!!

>Response to PFP: Preterist are famous for saying all
>of Matthew 24 has been fulfilled. This means the
>preaching of the Gospel to all the world and then
>shall the end come (verse 14), would END THE GOSPEL
>preaching in 70AD!

NOT TRUE!!
The only thing that ended was the Old Covenant. Salvation is still required. Faith in Christ's sacrifice is still required. But the "end" of the Old Covenant "age" meant the end of the law and the beginning of the New COvenant age.

More later.
Nate

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