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| Subject: American history teaching are to blame | |
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] Date Posted: 20:20:54 12/02/04 Thu In reply to: Dave (UK) 's message, "Hmmm" on 22:18:34 12/01/04 Wed Well, I just joined your society, I'm intrigued as British history (mostly the Empire) is one of my hobbies. I would argue that whats to blame is the rather poor way schools here teach history. I mean they always seem to glorify our role...for example, I know that American aid in WW I was helpful, but not crucial to absolute victory. However, the way it is taught here is that it was American aid alone that prevented the collapse of Allied War Effort...and that was simply not true. And that led on to WW II as well, although there it was pretty apparent that w/o US aid, Britain would have hard pressed to win the war. So I personally wouldnt blame Americans so much as the way history is taught here as to the arrogance that alot of Americans have about the World Wars and how they all seem to say "We saved your ass"... [ Next Thread | Previous Thread | Next Message | Previous Message ] |
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Author: Jim (Canada) [ Edit | View ] |
Date Posted: 20:30:42 12/02/04 Thu [ Post a Reply to This Message ] |
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Author: Ben.M(UK) [ Edit | View ] |
Date Posted: 20:31:52 12/02/04 Thu I still don't understand why we have American members, or rather why we have Americans who wish to join as I have no problem with it myself. [ Post a Reply to This Message ] |
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Author: Jim (Canada) [ Edit | View ] |
Date Posted: 20:38:06 12/02/04 Thu I think input and interest from anyone is very helpful, regardless of what country they live in. The fact that Americans are taking an interest in something that is not proposed for them shows that it has merit with a wider audience. [ Post a Reply to This Message ] |
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Author: Ed Harris (Venezia) [ Edit | View ] |
Date Posted: 20:52:43 12/02/04 Thu If the FCS were ever to expand beyond the realms of the crown, then the USA would be the logical direction for that expansion. Not necessarily ideal or popular with many people here, but more logical than expanding into, say, Vietnam, Cambodia, or Yemen. We must remember that the 'Anglosphere' is in vogue in the USA among intellectual conservatives - and while the Anglosphere and the FCS are not the same thing, it would be misguided in the exteme to deny that they are both manifestations of the same basic motives: co-operation between countries which for reasons of history share common values. Our relationship with the USA is no different in nature from our relationships between each other: it is different only in degree. Obviously, Britain has stronger ties to Australia and New Zealand than to the USA, but that does not mean that we have no ties with the USA. It follows logically that Americans have ties with us. Why should it seem so peculiar that Americans should be interested in the FCS? Indeed, I can imagine that some Americans would be more interested in the FCS than many in CANZUK: the USA is particularly susceptible to identity crises, with no real allies except for Britain, which they have been taught to revile as the Great Bogeyman from which America was lucky to escape. On the other hand, why should a Canadian be interested? They know who they are: firstly, they are the descendents of British colonists, and secondly they are not blasted Frenchmen. That is a sufficient self-definition for anyone, and needs no political ties to reinforce it. Compare with the Americans: who are they? Their ancestry is so mixed, and perhaps most importantly there is no large, close-knit foreign population like Quebec within the USA against which to contrast oneself. Look across the Atlantic, America: some of us still love you! [ Post a Reply to This Message ] |
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Author: Ian (Australia) [ Edit | View ] |
Date Posted: 01:26:33 12/03/04 Fri I'm not sure whether you are saying that Australia is not a real country or just not a real ally. [ Post a Reply to This Message ] |
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Author: Steph (U.S.) [ Edit | View ] |
Date Posted: 05:02:25 12/03/04 Fri This American is VERY appreciative of our Australian allies. Australia is the only country that fought with us in every major war we were involved in during the 20th Century and some of us have not forgotten. Cheers Steph [ Post a Reply to This Message ] |
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Author: Jim (Canada) [ Edit | View ] |
Date Posted: 14:33:23 12/03/04 Fri [ Post a Reply to This Message ] |
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Author: Ben.M(UK) [ Edit | View ] |
Date Posted: 14:57:53 12/03/04 Fri Country Participation at Height of Involvement Losses USA Over 540,000 troops Approximately 50,000 Australia 8,300 troops and advisors Approximately 500 dead New Zealand 534 soldiers One battalion under Australian (1st Brigade) command at any one time. 37 KIA A Brief History of the Australian Forces in Vietnam http://www.vietvet.org/aussie1.htm [ Post a Reply to This Message ] |
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Author: Paddy (Scotland) [ Edit | View ] |
Date Posted: 15:22:26 12/03/04 Fri That is apparently why the naval Ensign was changed - because the Australians were flying the flag of a power that was not engaged in the theatre of war. [ Post a Reply to This Message ] |
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Author: Brent (Canada) [ Edit | View ] |
Date Posted: 05:57:06 12/05/04 Sun [ Post a Reply to This Message ] |
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Author: Brent (Canada) [ Edit | View ] |
Date Posted: 06:03:25 12/05/04 Sun INTERNATIONAL COMMISSION FOR CONTROL AND SUPERVISION SOUTH VIETNAM. Authorized in January 1973 to monitor the cease fire in South Vietnam, supervise the exchange of prisoners and to ensure no build up of military equipment. Canada ceased operations in July 1973. |