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Subject: First in Space, and still going strong


Author:
European Pride
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Date Posted: 17:25:58 01/21/05 Fri

European space firsts
1st satellite - Sputnik
1st man - Yuri Gagarin
1st interplanetary probe - Venera
1st probe on moon of other planet - Huygens

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[> Subject: Oh right.


Author:
Ed Harris (back in London)
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Date Posted: 17:59:33 01/21/05 Fri

So Yuri Gargarin and Sputnik were European, were they? Had you told that to the Soviet government forty years ago, I think that a quick visit by an agent with a poison-tipped brolly would have cut short your peculiarly anonymous life.

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[> [> Subject: Oddly enough they were


Author:
Evropa!
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Date Posted: 18:32:56 01/21/05 Fri

Gagarin came from the European part of Russia.

The eastern boundary of Europe is well within the former Soviet Union.

"I think that a quick visit by an agent with a poison-tipped brolly would have cut short your peculiarly anonymous life."

That was the Bulgarian secret service, not the Soviets.

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[> [> [> Subject: How bizarre...


Author:
Ian (Australia)
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Date Posted: 20:32:30 01/21/05 Fri

Do you honestly feel pride in an area of land whose eastern limit is vaguely defined by a low range of mountains and whose name is that of a Mediterranean princess chiefly famous for having sex with a bull?

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[> [> [> Subject: If.


Author:
Ed Harris (London)
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Date Posted: 00:39:10 01/22/05 Sat

If you feel more in common with 1960s Soviet Russia than the USA, then I suspect that you are a minority instance.

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[> Subject: That as may be...


Author:
Dave (UK)
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Date Posted: 19:51:41 01/21/05 Fri

However, Russian space achievements were hardly done in the name of Europe, but rather that of a political philosophy. Besides, Neil Armstrong, Buzz Aldrin, Michael Collins and John Glenn are racially European if we take things to extremes.

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[> Subject: Just what I was going to say, Dave


Author:
Brent (Canada)
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Date Posted: 19:44:38 01/22/05 Sat


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[> Subject: yes but...


Author:
Kevin (U.S.)
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Date Posted: 21:24:19 01/22/05 Sat

They all did it with an American flag patch on their shoulder.

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[> [> Subject: stars and stripes on the moon


Author:
Owain (UK)
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Date Posted: 08:53:25 01/23/05 Sun

Better he Stars and stripes on the moon than anything our continentle "friends" have come up with.

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[> [> Subject: "They all did it with an American flag patch on their shoulder." - like Gagarin did?


Author:
Laika
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Date Posted: 15:35:48 01/24/05 Mon


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[> Subject: And another thing...


Author:
Ed Harris (London)
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Date Posted: 00:40:02 01/23/05 Sun

The [serious] people on this forum purport to be British. This means that they will hardly take more pride in 'European' achievements than American ones, since the Yanks are at least part of the family, albeit estranged members, whereas the Europeans are decadent, tyrannical rivals.

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[> Subject: USSR, Europe?


Author:
Aussie
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Date Posted: 13:16:31 01/25/05 Tue

Europeans must have a short memory, taking European credit for sputnik, yuir, and other USSR success', do you not realise that sputnik and others were built to advance soviet dreams of scaring and annihilating Europe. The EU stinks, i cant wait till it falls flat on its face and never gets up.

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[> [> Subject: Again, bravo


Author:
Ed Harris (London)
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Date Posted: 16:19:17 01/25/05 Tue


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[> [> Subject: Europe will implode, there's no doubt about it!


Author:
Dave (UK)
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Date Posted: 16:29:08 01/25/05 Tue

I just hope we are no longer cabin-bound when it sinks.

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[> [> Subject: Europe!


Author:
Sovietsky Evropa
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Date Posted: 16:42:47 01/25/05 Tue

"Europeans must have a short memory, taking European credit for sputnik, yuir, and other USSR success', do you not realise that sputnik and others were built to advance soviet dreams of scaring and annihilating Europe. The EU stinks, i cant wait till it falls flat on its face and never gets up."

Erm, would you care to look at an atlas?

You'll find that the Ukraine, Baltic republics, Byelorus, Moscow and Leningrad/St Petersburg are all within Europe.

Baikonur launch pad is in Kazakhstan, not part of Europe, but Moscow certainly is.

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