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] Date Posted: 04:06:34 01/16/05 Sun I don't know how it got to this.You have been very harsh in your posts against me.This all stemmed from me taking offence to what I believed to be anti-Irish comments and all of a sudden I got banned and the others who engaged in inflammatory posts with me did not. I cannot believe the animosity directed towards me. I admit I was out of line on more than one occasion but I was not alone. I actually would like to see Ireland rejoin the comonwealth eventually. As I said,I apologise for inappropriate comments in the past and I apologise for my other comment labelling you "dreamers" and "muppets" but that was done in anger after I had red the archive accusing me of attacking your site when I haven't visited in months. I offer out to you the olive branch and hope you accept it as I don't want to make enemies out of anybody. Regards. [ Next Thread | Previous Thread | Next Message | Previous Message ] |
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Author: Ian (Australia) [ Edit | View ] |
Date Posted: 11:58:54 01/16/05 Sun I also don't want to make enemies out of anyone, so not fighting is fine by me. If I was personally offensive to you at any stage, I'm sorry, because it isn't what I'm about. I have nothing against you and nothing against Ireland. There are probably some topics that it is not a good idea for us to start debating, and it may not even be a good idea to name them. I certainly don't want differences of opinion to turn into judgements of people. And yes, we probably are dreamers, but I don't see that as a bad thing. [ Post a Reply to This Message ] |
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Author: Roberdin [ Edit | View ] |
Date Posted: 13:29:16 01/16/05 Sun If so, then what you've said sounds perfectly reasonable. [ Post a Reply to This Message ] |
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Author: Dave (UK) [ Edit | View ] |
Date Posted: 15:13:50 01/16/05 Sun I agree it would be better if we could discuss these issues in a civilised manner. However, for various reasons, history being the most prevalent, many of our aspirations and ideals encroach into political minefields amongst certain sections of our societies. This often makes civilised debate more difficult when dealing with topics that I need not mention. I do not know if you are the same person who posted on the Irish Unionism forum, but I would grant you that your contributions seemed to be more measured than many others on that forum. I cannot remember what was said here, so I will refrain from comment. I hope I was not one of the ones who insulted you at any point. Being one quarter Irish myself, I doubt it. However, we have been a target of one individual who posts under different user names in order to present their opinions as being perhaps more widely held than they are. Nick would be the best person to ask, but I seem to remember that it was the notorious Curnoak who seemed to have many personas based on IP address. If you have been deemed guilty by association, then that is indeed unfortunate. I think one of our difficulties as a group is to explain our ideals to those people who do not share the natural affinity that we have with the British world. We do not seek to impose a satellite mono-culture of “Britishness” on all groups within the federation, quite the contrary. Such an imposition would be unworkable. We instead recognise that there are already many threads that bind us together through commonality, where Britishness is already implicit. We emphasise these threads without having to enforce them, while also recognising regional diversity. In essence, it we would apply the formula that has made the United Kingdom a success, in a new global federal arrangement. My personal opinion is that I would like Ireland to join the proposed federation. However, I like to keep my aims realistic, and I agree that creating a Federal Commonwealth would be a cakewalk compared to reuniting Ireland with the UK. All too often, I think we, as humans, as English speaking humans, as British Isles humans, or as Great Britons, have emphasised the small differences between us, rather than recognising the far greater degree of commonality. I often ponder that most of us have forgiven Germany for the events of 60 years ago, and yet many of my Celtic compatriots have yet to put Bannockburn, Cromwell, the potato famine, and Henry VIII behind us. We should not continue to use these events as political wedges to divide us aeons from now. [ Post a Reply to This Message ] |
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Author: Young Irelander [ Edit | View ] |
Date Posted: 17:24:45 01/16/05 Sun Ian,thank you for your response.Issues involving the past can get very emotional and clearly I let my emotions get the better of me on more than one occasion. Once again,sorry about the "dreamers" comment I made but again I was angry at the time. Roberdin,yes it is me.I thank you for your response.I want to again acknowledge that I have no real animosity towards anyone here. Dave,I thank you also for your response.Yes,I have posted on the Irish Unionism forum. Usually,I am very measured in my responses but unfortunately on this forum I let my emotions and temper get the better of me which I am unhappy about. As I said,I did not impersonate anybody and I thank you for your dignified response acknowledging that. You are quite right in what you say about moving on from the past and I hope that by all of us moving on from the events of 2004 on thsi forum that we can ourselves do this. Lastly,I would just like to say that I am very appreciative that you have been so understanding. As I said,usually I give measured comments on other forums.What transpired on this particular forum was not something I am happy or proud about and I would like to get past that and get over it by burying the hatchet and letting bygones be bygones. I know my legacy on this forum was not a great one but I hope that you will realise that I'm not a bad guy really and that I just lost my cool on a couple of occasions. Thank you for hearing me out and good luck to you. [ Post a Reply to This Message ] |
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Author: Trixta (UK) [ Edit | View ] |
Date Posted: 18:05:05 01/16/05 Sun Now, YI, before you blow another gasket, allow me to point out I'm in the same boat (albeit in the fenced off bit at the top-right of said boat). Don't worry about the Irish temper, it gets the better of all of us islanders at one time or another and, compare to a lot of Irish posts I've read in my time, was hardly an outburst. So don't worry about it but do what I do - when you feel yourself getting het up, log off, have a drink (Black Bush is my own recommendation), then come back. If you're still angry, then hell, let rip. Usually though I find I've had time to calm down enough to argue the point in a (comparatively) civilised manner and feel a lot better for doing so. It's only fair to point out that I have a dodgy internet connection that has also saved me from making a fool of myself several times (thanks, BT). As for being dreamers, I've been called a lot worse, and yes we are dreaming. Dreams become notions, which become goals, which, eventually, may become action. I don't see that there's anything wrong with it. The FCS is not around the corner by a long shot but it is nice to know that there are others out there, especially those who should hate their former colonial master, who can look forward to a future of cooperation and equality rather than back at an imperial and bloody past. As for the Irish, being among the most fervent of the anti-British former colonies, your presence is valuable and your opinions as valid as everyone else's, so why not drop the alias and join the FCS forum to help us dream up a better future for all of us, commonwealth and non-commonwealth alike. Out of interest, why are you here? It's not that I don't welcome you it's just that I'm wondering what could inspire a 'Young Irelander' to visit a pro-British Commonwealth forum? [ Post a Reply to This Message ] |
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Author: Owain (UK) [ Edit | View ] |
Date Posted: 16:33:54 01/17/05 Mon I'm sure you think of me when yu think of people from whome you percieved insult. Such was never my intention, I think it was a near inevitable result from discussing such topics due to the passian we both feel for our countries. We took very similar stances on things, only from the other side of the Irish sea (I hope you understand what i am grasping at), I reckon if we were both British or both Irish we would get on very well. No hard feelings I hope, against each other or our nations. [ Post a Reply to This Message ] |
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Author: Young Irelander [ Edit | View ] |
Date Posted: 18:50:11 01/17/05 Mon You make fair points Owain.There is alot of passion involved in discussing topics involving the past. I have no hard feelings towards you either or your country and I hope we can move on from the incidents last year. [ Post a Reply to This Message ] |
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Author: Nick (UK) [ Edit | View ] |
Date Posted: 18:49:12 01/17/05 Mon Anyone who wants to debate reasonably and on-topic is welcome to contribute here, though I know from your IP address that you did make some very personal and inflammatory posts which were deleted. However, apology accepted. [ Post a Reply to This Message ] |
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Author: Young Irelander [ Edit | View ] |
Date Posted: 18:53:59 01/17/05 Mon I acknowledge that I did get personal and inflammatory but you must understand that it is not pleasant to be banned and denied a chance to air your side of things. However even though I don't agree with alot of things that were done I accept that I was not completely innocent myself. [ Post a Reply to This Message ] |