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] Date Posted: 16:36:08 01/18/05 Tue In reply to: Ian (Australia) 's message, "Ah, I see" on 14:01:31 01/18/05 Tue It´s a strong possibility that Airbus wouldn´t be a strong competitor to Airbus without British participation. Personally I think it wouldn't. I am also pretty convinced that without European cooperation there would be no rival to Boeing in the world market for large airliners. British industry, though having some success at first, was beaten by Boeing and now is only being able to compete in partnership. Europe and specially the three main western Europe countries have the size and the resources to pull this kind of projects, within the the FCS you wouldn´t have a partner which could bring both the resources and the expertise that the French and the German bring. Not to mention that an increasing part of the British and the scientific community feel more closer to their continental counterparts than to, say, Australia. Yes, slowly but surely Britain are getting into the fold. I expect to see Euro coins with HM's profile on the back within the next 10 to 15 years... [ Next Thread | Previous Thread | Next Message | Previous Message ] |
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Author: Dave (UK) [ Edit | View ] |
Date Posted: 16:59:05 01/18/05 Tue I can’t really see Britain giving up her currency and allowing unaccountable bureaucrats in Frankfurt to determine our interest rate and economic policy. The reasons for doing so are diminishing daily. We are doing very well thank you very much, and I do not see the impending need for us to share a currency and interest rate with Italy, Greece and eventually Romania. Are you German? Be honest, would the vast majority of Germans not wish to have the Deutschmark back? Britain’s economy will overtake Germany’s by the end of this decade. Do you think the majority of Britons want to apply the anchors of European social economics? I hope not. What are you at now – 4 million unemployed? Wouldn’t it be great to determine an economic policy for Germany without having to pander the interests of a whole continent? I think joining the Euro was the second biggest mistake that Germany made after reunification. [ Post a Reply to This Message ] |
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Author: Frank (US) [ Edit | View ] |
Date Posted: 17:37:55 01/18/05 Tue Germany's unemployment is estimated at 10.5% (CIA World Factbook), and w/a national pop of 82 million, its unemployment would be appox 8.61 million [ Post a Reply to This Message ] |
| [> [> [> [> [> Subject: The equivalent British figure is about three. | |
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Author: Ed Harris (London) [ Edit | View ] |
Date Posted: 18:04:55 01/18/05 Tue Well, this is an exaggeration, but we still have a labour shortage, which is more than can be said for most other post-industrial economies. Mind you, the government is doing its best to wreck this by regulating companies out of business and borrowing more and more during a phase of the economic cycle when it should be borrowing less. I think perhaps Mr Brown should be moved to the FCO - at least then he might get to hear about the Commonwealth, whose existence seems to be a closed book to him. Also, where did the figure come from that Britain's economy will be larger than Germany's by 2010? I know that we've been doing well for the last ten years or so, but back in the 90s Germany's economy was 4 times bigger than ours, so this end-of-the-decade prediction seems a bit far-fetched. Lastly, an FC space programme sounds rather fun. There has already been a great deal of co-operation between the UK and Australia, and most of our satellites were launched from NZ, I believe, especially the ones which we don't officially have. Besides, it's not right having all these foreigners hurtling round up there... bound to cause trouble. [ Post a Reply to This Message ] |
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Author: Dave (UK) [ Edit | View ] |
Date Posted: 20:28:43 01/18/05 Tue Unless Gordon Brown's socialist revival turns thing pear-shaped. With regard to space, there were pictures circulating in the 1970s of Astronauts exploring the cosmos with handle-bar moustaches, such was the optimism for Britain's space programme, and indeed Commonwealth space exploration. Tony Benn of course cancelled the Blue Streak programme and handed our lead to the French. And on the EU.. Government Ministers have today admitted that the EU constitution refurendum could cost the taxpayer 80 Million pounds. However, this figure will not include the vast amount of Government propaganda aimed at winning it. [ Post a Reply to This Message ] |
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Author: Ian (Australia) [ Edit | View ] |
Date Posted: 18:01:53 01/18/05 Tue [ Post a Reply to This Message ] |
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Author: Paddy (Scotland) [ Edit | View ] |
Date Posted: 15:44:04 01/19/05 Wed There is NOT ONE fact that you have accurately stated. "Europe and specially the three main western Europe countries have the size and the resources to pull this kind of projects, within the the FCS you wouldn´t have a partner which could bring both the resources and the expertise that the French and the German bring." The above is complete nonsense. "Not to mention that an increasing part of the British and the scientific community feel more closer to their continental counterparts than to, say, Australia. As a member of the "Scientific Community" that you speak of I would disagree with that very strongly and say that it is an entirely ficticious statement. "Yes, slowly but surely Britain are getting into the fold. I expect to see Euro coins with HM's profile on the back within the next 10 to 15 years..." Definitly will not happen. The reason that German motor companies have invested in the UK is that we have free trade with the rest of the EU and that the British are perpared to work for a living. The euro is bankrupting Germany because Germany went in at the wrong rate - the result of treating an economic descision as a political one. German cars have dropped to very low in the reliability tables and are out sourcing as much as possible - probably due to the fact that the workforce does not do more than thirty-five hours a week. For this same reason 50% of the 380 is built in the country that owns only 20% of the shares. Dreams or reality? [ Post a Reply to This Message ] |