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] Date Posted: 16:57:24 12/05/04 Sun In reply to: Steph (U.S.) 's message, "Moving the FCS Forward" on 17:54:17 12/03/04 Fri The best way to move these ideas forward is to involve the USA, and have it take it over... [ Next Thread | Previous Thread | Next Message | Previous Message ] |
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Author: Ed Harris (Venezia) [ Edit | View ] |
Date Posted: 16:59:18 12/05/04 Sun You might just have a point there. [ Post a Reply to This Message ] |
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Author: Ian (Australia) [ Edit | View ] |
Date Posted: 17:06:30 12/05/04 Sun [ Post a Reply to This Message ] |
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Author: Ed Harris (Venezia) [ Edit | View ] |
Date Posted: 18:37:52 12/05/04 Sun But the the inclusion of the USA in the Anglosphere idea and the exclusion of the USA in the FCS idea makes the Anglosphere a more likely prospect than a Federal Commonwealth. This is not to say that I support the former rather than the latter - far from it. [ Post a Reply to This Message ] |
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Author: Ian (Australia) [ Edit | View ] |
Date Posted: 18:44:09 12/05/04 Sun I don't agree that the inclusion of the USA makes the Anglosphere more likely: I think it would create far greater resistance. Few people I know would want to be part of an expanded USA. Unless what you are saying is that the Anglosphere is a less ambitious project because it would involve cooperation but not federation, in which case yes, it is more achievable but hardly comparable with the FC idea and in no sense a step towards it. [ Post a Reply to This Message ] |
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Author: Ed Harris (Venezia) [ Edit | View ] |
Date Posted: 00:43:21 12/06/04 Mon ...that what I was trying to say was something different. A country like the USA has its own momentum, as we did when we were in our prime. Since the Anglosphere project, from a glance at their website, would quite obviously be an American-led movement, this alone, in my opinion, gives it more chance of success. The Yanks have a way of getting things done: not always well, not always for the right reasons, but they put in the effort nonetheless. I am not trying to say that the Anglosphere is a comparable idea, nor am I suggesting that it is more desirable than some form of CANZUK federation. It is a different creature altogether and as such must be considered to have different opportunities and different problems, and it is my evaluation that it would have fewer problems than the FCS, not least the near absence of the lethargy, cynicism, precious and self-regarding regional particularism, fantasies of exceptionalism and all the other things which make modern Britain what it is. [ Post a Reply to This Message ] |
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Author: Brent (Canada) [ Edit | View ] |
Date Posted: 19:33:14 12/07/04 Tue My book (for sure, available in the new year) deals with the role of the US in a CFTA. My study of American foreign policy leads me to believe that the inclusion of the US in any quasi-formal structure would inevitably lead to its ruin. Understand that in every instance that the US has been involved in a multilateral endeavour it has been with one precondition - that they be the lead nation. An FCS, as it has been defined in this forum, would be rejected by the US Senate because it would not be afforded a veto over FCS decisions. If anyone can explain to me how one would constitute a grouping of states where each is considered of equal status, and yet only one exercises the prerogative of a veto, then I would be most interested. The Anglosphere will never be a "Union of English-speaking peoples". In my humble opinion, and after much research, if there ever is an Anglosphere it will be a Commonwealth / United States partnership where each party is free to exercise its own autonomy if needed... [ Post a Reply to This Message ] |