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] Date Posted: 09:58:50 12/24/04 Fri In reply to: Mister FCS 's message, "Commonwealth Christmas Songs" on 11:55:51 12/23/04 Thu first of all, America gives more in aid to africa on such things as aids development and food distribution than any other country in the world, so I think if anyone is showing hope and progress, then you are damn right its the U.S. Yes Ed, sadly you can't go anywhere anymore without having someone complain about a christmas sign or something. This is of coarse the work of the liberals who want a secular country. Things from, not being able to put lights on a post office, no christmas carols at school plays (that don't even mention god, or christmas in general),changing the name of christmas break to winter break, and many other very little stupid things that make many people angry. But it seems that it is not as much a push for secularism, but a push for non-chrisitian living. Because in the same places where they ban christmas plays, they allow hanukkah plays to go on without a hitch. And it seems that people can't offend anyone elses religion, but they can throw christianity away. I think this is a very bad thing, since this nation, although "secular" technically in government, is based on moral values, and to be more specific, christian morals. I believe that if this course of action doesn't change soon, there will be a major back lash in some way, and no one will be prepared for it. I for one, say HAPPY CHRISTMAS, everywhere I go. HAPPY CHRISTMAS AND A GREAT NEW YEAR Nollaig Shona Dhuit [ Next Thread | Previous Thread | Next Message | Previous Message ] |
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Author: Ian (Australian living in Brazil) [ Edit | View ] |
Date Posted: 13:01:55 12/24/04 Fri I have no problem with people celebrating the religion of their choice (as long as they don't start nailing each other up on bits of wood to celebrate Easter, I guess), just as I have no problem with them playing the sport of their choice or wearing the fashion of their choice: it's none of my business as long as it doesn't start invading public life. Australia is very much a secular country: any Australian politician who starts talking publicly about god will basically be limited to that very small percentage of people that let religion cloud their thinking on important issues. Unfortunately, Brazil is far more medieval in this sense: not only do politicians go on about god all the time, but the catholic bishops always stick their oar in to try and influence public policy, and no one ever seems to tell them to mind their own business. People even have little nativity scenes in their living rooms. I love a good story, but these people seem to treat Bible tales as if they actually happened, which is disturbing. I assume they are the same ones who knit booties for the babies in soap operas. I have a good mind to create my own "Macbeth Day" and set up a little scene over in the corner by the pot plants with the three witches, Banquo's ghost, Lady Macbeth trying to wash her hands, Burnam Wood coming to Dunsinane, and so on. Now *there* is a story that deserves to be remembered. [ Post a Reply to This Message ] |
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Author: Jim (Canada) [ Edit | View ] |
Date Posted: 14:31:11 12/24/04 Fri [ Post a Reply to This Message ] |
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Author: Ed Harris (UK) [ Edit | View ] |
Date Posted: 14:08:24 12/24/04 Fri Everyone seems quite happy to go around criticising not just the USA, but also Americans as individuals, forgetting that if it weren't for the generosity of the American State and the citizens whom it represents, many millions more people would starve to death every year. Perhaps someone should mention this to Jacques Chirac, Gerhard Schroeder and their Euro pals before they start wearing their t-shirts with pictures of Uncle Sam taking a big bite out of the globe. As for the anti-Christian stuff, I think it's daft. It's like positive dicrimination: there are more Christians than non-Christians, but whereas this would make you or me conclude that we should ignore individuals' religion when condisidering them for a job, in a law-suit etc. in the interests of fairness, lefties would conclude that Christianity should be suppressed in case its prevalence hurts the feelings of non-Christians. And you're right about the backlash: we can see it now. As Mark Steyn says in that article, the more the proselytising Left continues in its "more secular than thou" one-upmanship, the more the barmy Christian Right will gain strength and support. And Ian, as for religion sticking its oar into affairs of State, I think that we have the perfect solution here: have an established Church. In this way, we acknowledge the spiritual as part of the constitution and consider that our duty to god is hereby over and done with, and thus we don't have to think about it any more. I'll give sixpence to anyone who can find a more secular society than Britain... which, I think, is proof that the separation of Church and State is not necessary to keep religion out of politics, and has in fact quite the opposite effect. [ Post a Reply to This Message ] |
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Author: Dave (UK) [ Edit | View ] |
Date Posted: 14:18:35 12/24/04 Fri Indeed, was it not Alistair Campbell who famously quipped "we don't do God"? [ Post a Reply to This Message ] |
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Author: Ian (Australia) [ Edit | View ] |
Date Posted: 16:29:04 12/24/04 Fri Its real function is to ensure that the monarch is not subject to a foreign religious leader, which suits me fine. It works for two reasons: 1. no one takes it seriously, and 2. you don't hvae to believe anything to be part of it. [ Post a Reply to This Message ] |