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Subject: Britain is doing well because it threw out hard left socialism in the 1980's


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Jim (Canada)
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Date Posted: 20:01:08 11/23/04 Tue
In reply to: Mister New Statesman 's message, "Well, couldn't you possibly argue that Britain is where it is today because of Europe?" on 19:33:40 11/23/04 Tue


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Mister New Statesman
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Date Posted: 20:24:10 11/23/04 Tue

Are you a Nozickian or a Rawlsian? Do you believe that the hardship of the worst-off is balanced by the fabulous riches of the best-off? Or do you think that, ultimately, we can sacrifice a little wealth in exchange for a better deal for those on the "wrong side of the tracks"? Because I have no problem paying a few more quid in taxes in exchange for decent public services, better living conditions for the poor and a better quality of life. I've lived in the welfare states of Europe (well, some of them, at least) and the level of general happiness and contentment among the population was much higher than what I'm encountering up here in Scotland (though, I must admit, I've only been living north of the Tweed for a few months).

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[> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> Subject: I remember Britain in the 1970's and I am not a socialist


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Jim (Canada)
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Date Posted: 20:33:04 11/23/04 Tue


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[> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> Subject: Ah, yes, but the problems of Britain in the 1970s were to do with oil, not with socialism


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Date Posted: 21:29:59 11/23/04 Tue


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[> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> Subject: London


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Paddy (Scotland)
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Date Posted: 12:48:59 11/24/04 Wed

The idea that London is full of capital because of the EU and that it is dependent upon the EU is simply laughable.

The City deals globally and is equipped to deal with whatever currency is required in order to carry out transactions.

It is the world's financial centre. Yes it is the "European" financial centre due to it's geographical location, but it has nothing to do with the European Project. London is also the financial centre of South America but this does not give evidence of South American domnance over London.

Similarly, it would be technically accurate to say that the ideas in Magna Carta and the Declaration of Arbroath are "European" in origin, while in fact they had little historical relevance on the continent of Europe. They are actually British.

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