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Subject: I get the feeling this is actually a big blow to Commonwealth unity


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Ron
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Date Posted: 20:32:20 01/27/05 Thu
In reply to: breaking news... 's message, "Barbados and Jamaica govt plan to become republics" on 18:51:56 01/26/05 Wed


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[> [> Subject: I think this has been on the cards for some time...


Author:
Dave (UK)
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Date Posted: 20:50:33 01/27/05 Thu

After all, you can't become a banana republic without becoming a republic first :-)

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[> [> [> Subject: That still leaves seven realms in the Caribbean


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Jim (Canada)
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Date Posted: 21:19:10 01/27/05 Thu

If the Crown loses Jamaica and Barbados, it will still have;

Antigua and Barbuda
Bahamas
Belize (actually in Central America)
Grenada
St. Kitts & Nevis
St. Lucia
St. Vincent and the Grenadines

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[> [> [> [> Subject: Ain't it funny?


Author:
Ed Harris (London)
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Date Posted: 00:39:50 01/28/05 Fri

The push for republic status in these countries all seems to come from the rulers. At least, they make the most noise: I have never heard of a Bermudian popular protest against the Crown. The Jamaicans are very religious and strongly Anglican, and HM, as head of the Church, has quite a lot of support there.

I must admit that my familiarty with current public opinion in the Caribbean as regards the Monarchy is not good. For all I know, 80% of Jamaicans and Bermudians are republicans. However, I doubt it. In New Zealand, the status quo is not much less popular than it is in Britain, but Ms Clarke seems dead set on the Republic of New Zealand (not so much a Banana Republic as a Sheep Republic. Perhaps she could style Herself not President Clarke but Lord of the Rings). Similarly, I imagine that Messrs Patterson and Smith are more fervently republican than their electorates.

Could this be, perhaps, because political leaders reach the top and realise that they can't go any further without doing away with the Constitution and becoming presidents? Do they become so caught up in their own importance that they can not bear the thought of some higher power before whom they must bow their heads? Does their resentment that they have to work every hour God sends to remain in the public eye and grab headlines, whereas the Queen gets attention automatically, colour their judgement? Or is this too cynical?

Jai Rani.

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[> [> Subject: What a terrible turnaround


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Jim (Canada)
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Date Posted: 21:30:11 01/27/05 Thu

Back in the 1950's, Australia, New Zealand and Barbados were amongst the most loyal and proudly British parts of the Empire & Commonwealth. Today, they are at the forefront of disloyalty and republicanism.

Perhaps there are more traditions to attack in these countries, so republican forces are stronger. Perhaps more so than in Canada where the ties have been watered down over the last forty years, so republicanism hasn't got a reason to be very strong.

Even the UK is not as loyal as it used to be.

I remember when Fiji became a republic in 1987 because of the coup there. Before that, they were an extremely loyal country. They even kept the Union Jack in their flag after becoming a republic and apologised to the Queen. Now they are in a mess.

This is all very sad. At least the Bahamas are still fiercely loyal!

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