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] Date Posted: 01:51:54 11/04/04 Thu After listening to the British here and the way they carry on fighting and slandering each other, I no longer want unification with them. I don't want to be united with a country whose parts are only interested in anger and hatred. How can we unify the Commonwealth when the mother country is bent on destroying itself? My respect for Britain is completely gone. Seeing the way you lot carry on, I am now more proud to be Canadian and that is where it ends. Every time I try to say something encouraging about the British working together, I get slapped down by some idiot Scot, Englishman or Irishman who is only interested in his hatreds for the rest, based on centuries-old fights. This is total nonsense and I am fed up with these pathetic tribal hatreds. Even my suggestion of a map on my own web site showing the unification of the British Isles was met with a comparison to Hitler! From now on, I will advocate closer cooperation amongst Canada, Australia, New Zealand and the West Indies only. Leave the British out - they are not worth it. [ Next Thread | Previous Thread | Next Message | Previous Message ] |
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Author: John Bull [ Edit | View ] |
Date Posted: 02:30:30 11/04/04 Thu I'm English and all the Jocks and Taffs ever do is moan moan moan. Bloody miseries. You'd think they'd be grateful for all the money we give them. [ Post a Reply to This Message ] |
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Author: Ed Harris (Venezia) [ Edit | View ] |
Date Posted: 03:18:42 11/04/04 Thu Come on Jim... that is really going too far. I would first say, as an aside, that without Britain the Commonwealth is nothing. It would be like Europe without Rome... and remember that I am a colonial myself. But my main point is that the tribal bickering in Britain is an artificial situation created by the totally irresponsible policies of the present government, combined with active and deliberate EEC propaganda to foster discontent between the Home Nations. Ten years ago, the sort of sentiment of which you are complaining were impossible; in ten years time, after we crash out of Europe and the Socialists are driven from power, they will be impossible again. I have stated time and again on this forum that, while my British ancestry is primarily English and Irish (leaving our the ashkenazim who have given me my religion), I have nothing but admiration and love for Scotland and the Scottish people. I believe passionately that the Union is a perfect marriage between Scots radicalism and English conservatism, which has survived for so long that it has created a homogenous nation which is somewhere in between the two. The comments on this forum about English imperialism in Scotland, Scots over-representation at Westminster and the huge drain on English money which Scotland represents, are not representative of British opinion generally. Scotland is no more over-subsidised than Yorkshire or Devonshire; the Scots can never be so over-represented in parliament that they cancel out the overwhelming dominance of England in terms of population, and as such is quite fair. I hope, also, that you will note that the intra-British particularism of which you complain has ALL come from non-regular participants in this forum. Mr Anon, Mr McGregor, those Cornish lunatics... a forum like this is particularly susceptible to the random postings of the Totally Bonkers. I cite Mr De Boer as a case in point. I ask you to reconsider your desire to write off the UK. It is not justified; it is an over-reaction; and it does not take into account the awful mess into which seven years of New Labour's shortsightedness and deliberate tension-sturring has plunged us. Remeber what Pitt said: "the King's subjects are One People; any attempt to divide them is an act of Sedition." And while this particular vocabulary is not appropriate for the modern age, the sentiment is valid: we are One, and the subdivision of the British World into different units is exactly the sort of thing which you have established this Society to rectify. [ Post a Reply to This Message ] |
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Author: Ed Harris (Venezia) [ Edit | View ] |
Date Posted: 03:33:40 11/04/04 Thu ...I appeal to other British members to support me here! "Not worth it"? By god, that's a harsh evaluation! [ Post a Reply to This Message ] |
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Author: Dave (UK) [ Edit | View ] |
Date Posted: 09:30:53 11/04/04 Thu Jim, I think you are being grossly unfair in writing off our country based on the contributions of a few ignorant people. Don't you have ignorant people in Canada? We all know that Quebec is hardly a model of unity, but we do not seek to write-off Canada as a result. [ Post a Reply to This Message ] |
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Author: Curnoack [ Edit | View ] |
Date Posted: 22:17:46 11/05/04 Fri "Remeber what Pitt said: "the King's subjects are One People; any attempt to divide them is an act of Sedition." And while this particular vocabulary is not appropriate for the modern age, the sentiment is valid: we are One, and the subdivision of the British World into different units is exactly the sort of thing which you have established this Society to rectify." One Kingdom, One People, One Leader. (That's a translation of a well known phrase.) [ Post a Reply to This Message ] |
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Author: Ed Harris (Back in Shropshire) [ Edit | View ] |
Date Posted: 16:08:22 11/08/04 Mon Um, do not attempt to draw comparisons between a Jew and Adolf Hitler. It is not going to get yourself well liked. I hope I make myself clear. [ Post a Reply to This Message ] |
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Author: Paddy (Ireland) [ Edit | View ] |
Date Posted: 04:54:33 11/04/04 Thu Mr McGregor is a genius... what are you talking about? He could back up his case well. All credit to him. The "tribalism" predates the "EEC propaganda" you talk about. The EEC hasn't been around for a while... at least before the Cold War ended. [ Post a Reply to This Message ] |
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Author: Ed Harris (Venezia) [ Edit | View ] |
Date Posted: 13:44:25 11/04/04 Thu So I concede Mr McGregor, in spite of the fact that we all know him to have put Peter Rabbit's father into a pie. Be that as it may, my only point was that the intra-British bickering has been exacerbated in recent years by irresponsible and badly thought-out policies. Besides, our bickering is part of what makes us Us... just see how quickly we close ranks when we're criticised! [ Post a Reply to This Message ] |
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Author: Owain (UK) [ Edit | View ] |
Date Posted: 08:39:01 11/04/04 Thu Your respect gone down for Britain has it Jim? My respects gone down for you. You talk as if we all hate each other. I certainly dont, I encourage the gradual phasing out of these old regionalist ideas until we have a single British identity. My country sure is shit at the moment. But god that dont mean I'm just going to give up, its the only country I got (emmigration is a sin and not something I would consider). I will keep fighting for a Britain worth living in and unifying with, a little support from our Brother nations would be appreciated, rather than abandoment. [ Post a Reply to This Message ] |
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Author: Owain (UK) [ Edit | View ] |
Date Posted: 08:40:14 11/04/04 Thu Actualy now it comes to mind I would infcat emmigrate rather than live in the Republic of Wales, damned if I will go to Canada though if its full of people that just give. [ Post a Reply to This Message ] |
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Author: Paddy (Scotland) [ Edit | View ] |
Date Posted: 13:08:25 11/04/04 Thu Britain is a very stupid place. Neighbours always quarrel. Overall the component nations of GB get on very well. This is only a minor internet forum, not the voice of a nation (yet!) If some idiots from Quebec (or seperatist Alberta for all that matter) were to post here regularly short, snide comments about Anglo-Canada I would feel about Canada exactly the way you do now about GB. I would rather hope that you would prefer to debate it out with these people were they to visit this forum. [ Post a Reply to This Message ] |
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Author: Jim (Canada) [ Edit | View ] |
Date Posted: 21:54:55 11/05/04 Fri I have achieved exactly what I set out to do with this post. I confess to you all that I did not mean a single word that I said about the Brits being not worth it. I wanted to do something radical that would jumpstart all the Brits into defending their country and showing unity and pride. It worked!!! My real feelings for Britain are one of love, respect and pride - parliamentary government, constitutional monarchy, common law - all the things that Canada has benefitted from. After all, my background is English. I have worked hard for this FC cause and I am not backing out now. I always have a wonderful time when I go and visit the UK. I am a stanuch monarchist and I am proud of all of our British institutions and our heritage. I think I made that clear before. However, I still feel that all this nationalism in Scotland, Wales, Cornwall, etc. is opening up old wounds that should have died a long time ago. I am very aware that most of the British people are not involved in this lunatic fringe and that the EU is perpetrating a lot of it. Canada has its fair share of nationalism, primarily based on language. A new poll taken in Quebec yesterday showed 49% support for independence in that province. Anyway, I apologise sincerely if I offended anyone here, but I wanted to get British people here defending their country and showing pride in it and denouncing the regionalist separatists. My real feelings for Britain have never changed - you are still our mother country and I will always be proud of the ties - after all, they built my country. [ Post a Reply to This Message ] |
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Author: Curnoack [ Edit | View ] |
Date Posted: 22:00:24 11/05/04 Fri "I am very aware that most of the British people are not involved in this lunatic fringe and that the EU is perpetrating a lot of it." Actually as Chic McGregor pointed out a large number of Scottish people want independence. The EU have NOTHING to do with this. It predates the EU by decades. [ Post a Reply to This Message ] |
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Author: Curnoack [ Edit | View ] |
Date Posted: 22:04:14 11/05/04 Fri The SNP and Plaid Cymru both have European policies that have COST them votes. Other things cause independence movements. Home rule for Scotland, Wales and Ireland was discussed in the 1860s Westminster, and before and since. [ Post a Reply to This Message ] |
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Author: Jim (Canada) [ Edit | View ] |
Date Posted: 22:11:57 11/05/04 Fri [ Post a Reply to This Message ] |
| [> [> [> [> [> Subject: The difference being that one lot are supported by the media and government 24/7 and the other isn't | |
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Author: Curnoack [ Edit | View ] |
Date Posted: 22:18:49 11/05/04 Fri [ Post a Reply to This Message ] |
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Author: Trixta (UK) [ Edit | View ] |
Date Posted: 04:56:28 11/06/04 Sat Okay, you got me, Jim. You hit the chord that got me responding before I'd read this posting. Well done. Maybe the UK needs a little more of that sort of prodding from our enlightened friends - though if we weren't whinging about each other we'd probably all die of boredom. [ Post a Reply to This Message ] |
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Author: Trixta (UK) [ Edit | View ] |
Date Posted: 04:51:34 11/06/04 Sat Jim, take a deep breath and get your head around something: we don't have to like one another to work together - but we must respect one another. The English, Scots, Welsh and Irish have a long and bitter history - we've all battered seven shades out of each other for long periods of the last millenium. That doesn't go away quickly. The same thing is evident in Europe - bitter memories of past wars are still in the background and have helped to make us who we are. The French and English still don't quite get on, and as for the English and Germans - well, Basil Fawlty anyone? (Interestingly, none of the others have a problem with either the French (except for their penchant for port-blocking and sheep-burning) or the Germans (except for the whole towels-on-sunbeds issue)). There are in canada, no doubt, still some who will have a problem with the Germans, because they were in WWII or dislike the French / English because old enmities die hard. To say we hate one another is incorrect and I must apologise as I did use the word rather hastily in a previous posting. In the end, for that is all that matters, all the old animosities within the UK have been reduced to jokes and stereotypes: the pompous English fop / thuggish English football hooligan, the miserly / drunkenly violent Scot, the sheep-shagging / hymn-singing Welshman and the small-minded sectarian Irishman (okay, but 3 out of 4 is good going). Only the smallest handful of us actually take the animosity to anything approaching hate and all of them tend to be extreme nationalists. You have much the same thing in Canada from what I can gather in the whole English-French thing: most people don't let it bother them, a minority shout about it and a minute handful actually believe it to be the most important thing on the planet. We have all, long since, acknowledged that united we stand and divided we would fall. Devolved, however, is the grey area and while I oppose centralisation I would never dream of trading in the arrogance of the Sassernachs, the aggression of the Jocks, the bestiality of the Welsh or the pure rage of the Irish for independence. We are, after all, British and geographically, linguistically, economically and politically are too closely-knit to effectively separate. If you really want to see Britain at work, visit - for crying out loud don't rely on the press or the rants of a few of us to make a judgement. You should also be aware that irony and sardonism are keystones of the British psyche - with 60 million of us crammed into these little islands you need a fairly twisted sense of humour not to go mad. [ Post a Reply to This Message ] |