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] Date Posted: 02:30:30 11/04/04 Thu In reply to: Jim (Canada) 's message, "I'm fed up with the British" on 01:51:54 11/04/04 Thu I'm English and all the Jocks and Taffs ever do is moan moan moan. Bloody miseries. You'd think they'd be grateful for all the money we give them. [ Next Thread | Previous Thread | Next Message | Previous Message ] |
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Author: Ed Harris (Venezia) [ Edit | View ] |
Date Posted: 03:18:42 11/04/04 Thu Come on Jim... that is really going too far. I would first say, as an aside, that without Britain the Commonwealth is nothing. It would be like Europe without Rome... and remember that I am a colonial myself. But my main point is that the tribal bickering in Britain is an artificial situation created by the totally irresponsible policies of the present government, combined with active and deliberate EEC propaganda to foster discontent between the Home Nations. Ten years ago, the sort of sentiment of which you are complaining were impossible; in ten years time, after we crash out of Europe and the Socialists are driven from power, they will be impossible again. I have stated time and again on this forum that, while my British ancestry is primarily English and Irish (leaving our the ashkenazim who have given me my religion), I have nothing but admiration and love for Scotland and the Scottish people. I believe passionately that the Union is a perfect marriage between Scots radicalism and English conservatism, which has survived for so long that it has created a homogenous nation which is somewhere in between the two. The comments on this forum about English imperialism in Scotland, Scots over-representation at Westminster and the huge drain on English money which Scotland represents, are not representative of British opinion generally. Scotland is no more over-subsidised than Yorkshire or Devonshire; the Scots can never be so over-represented in parliament that they cancel out the overwhelming dominance of England in terms of population, and as such is quite fair. I hope, also, that you will note that the intra-British particularism of which you complain has ALL come from non-regular participants in this forum. Mr Anon, Mr McGregor, those Cornish lunatics... a forum like this is particularly susceptible to the random postings of the Totally Bonkers. I cite Mr De Boer as a case in point. I ask you to reconsider your desire to write off the UK. It is not justified; it is an over-reaction; and it does not take into account the awful mess into which seven years of New Labour's shortsightedness and deliberate tension-sturring has plunged us. Remeber what Pitt said: "the King's subjects are One People; any attempt to divide them is an act of Sedition." And while this particular vocabulary is not appropriate for the modern age, the sentiment is valid: we are One, and the subdivision of the British World into different units is exactly the sort of thing which you have established this Society to rectify. [ Post a Reply to This Message ] |
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Author: Ed Harris (Venezia) [ Edit | View ] |
Date Posted: 03:33:40 11/04/04 Thu ...I appeal to other British members to support me here! "Not worth it"? By god, that's a harsh evaluation! [ Post a Reply to This Message ] |
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Author: Dave (UK) [ Edit | View ] |
Date Posted: 09:30:53 11/04/04 Thu Jim, I think you are being grossly unfair in writing off our country based on the contributions of a few ignorant people. Don't you have ignorant people in Canada? We all know that Quebec is hardly a model of unity, but we do not seek to write-off Canada as a result. [ Post a Reply to This Message ] |
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Author: Curnoack [ Edit | View ] |
Date Posted: 22:17:46 11/05/04 Fri "Remeber what Pitt said: "the King's subjects are One People; any attempt to divide them is an act of Sedition." And while this particular vocabulary is not appropriate for the modern age, the sentiment is valid: we are One, and the subdivision of the British World into different units is exactly the sort of thing which you have established this Society to rectify." One Kingdom, One People, One Leader. (That's a translation of a well known phrase.) [ Post a Reply to This Message ] |
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Author: Ed Harris (Back in Shropshire) [ Edit | View ] |
Date Posted: 16:08:22 11/08/04 Mon Um, do not attempt to draw comparisons between a Jew and Adolf Hitler. It is not going to get yourself well liked. I hope I make myself clear. [ Post a Reply to This Message ] |
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Author: Paddy (Ireland) [ Edit | View ] |
Date Posted: 04:54:33 11/04/04 Thu Mr McGregor is a genius... what are you talking about? He could back up his case well. All credit to him. The "tribalism" predates the "EEC propaganda" you talk about. The EEC hasn't been around for a while... at least before the Cold War ended. [ Post a Reply to This Message ] |
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Author: Ed Harris (Venezia) [ Edit | View ] |
Date Posted: 13:44:25 11/04/04 Thu So I concede Mr McGregor, in spite of the fact that we all know him to have put Peter Rabbit's father into a pie. Be that as it may, my only point was that the intra-British bickering has been exacerbated in recent years by irresponsible and badly thought-out policies. Besides, our bickering is part of what makes us Us... just see how quickly we close ranks when we're criticised! [ Post a Reply to This Message ] |