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Subject: Mark...


Author:
Ed Harris (Venezia)
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Date Posted: 12:43:27 11/07/04 Sun
In reply to: Ian (Australia) 's message, "the word of a semi-literate god" on 02:54:11 11/07/04 Sun

Mark is better than the others, since he is preaching to a Jewish audience, as Jesus would have done, whereas the others are attempting to bring in claims of universality, which dilutes and defeats the purpose of his movement. Still, even in Mark the poor bloke's message fail to impress: he preaches tolerance and a sort of asceticism, and as such is an ordinary Rabbi with slight pharisee tendencies: but compared with Plato he is a child. But enough of this stuff...

... the main point is that of London and Washington helping the Taliban against the Russians and Mr. S. Hussein against the Iranians. These things are both true, but doesn't that make it MORE of OUR responsibility to do something about them when they go bonkers? Like the mad scientist who builds the monster out of bits of old corpses, sews it together, touches the electrode to the bolt through its neck, sees it wake up, and then eyes it cautiously as it smashes down the wall and staggers off towards the nearest village... isn't it a bit mean for the scientist to say to the naturally concerned villagers, "Oh, well, you're on your own now. I know that it's my monster, but it's your village and if you don't like violent super-creatures destroying your hearths and homes, then it's up to you to so something about it..."?

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[> [> [> [> [> [> [> Subject: Mark's "gospel"


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Ian (Australia)
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Date Posted: 13:46:02 11/07/04 Sun

It's not the message that impresses me, but the character and his contradictions. The so called "gospel" (what is the good news, exactly?) introduced an interesting character into world literature and has a certain charm.

Of course it isn't up to, say, Aeschylus' "Agamemnon", either as literature or, dare I say, as a guide to living.

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[> [> [> [> [> [> [> Subject: mad scientists


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Ian (Australia)
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Date Posted: 13:48:51 11/07/04 Sun

Of course the one who launched the problem on the world has a greater responsibility in cleaning up after himself.

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[> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> Subject: How do you define responsibility?


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Dave (UK)
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Date Posted: 16:00:27 11/07/04 Sun

Without the Soviet invasion, the monster needn’t have been created.

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[> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> Subject: Responsibility


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Ed Harris (Back in Shropshire)
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Date Posted: 15:00:56 11/08/04 Mon

Ah, now there's a point. The Americans destroyed the Taliban. But that's because they created the Taliban. But they created it because the Russians invaded. And the Russians invaded because of instability in the regions left over from the Raj. And the British invaded because a region of warring-tribes makes a feeble buffer zone. And the tribes were warring because...etc etc etc.

Once one side has attacked, and another side has retaliated, it doesn't matter who started it, because both sides have all the excuses which human nature needs to do it again and again and again - all the way back to the first murderer: a man called Cain, you know?

It is so easy to see History as a series of inter-related events which lead to the present. In my opinion, this is not true, as History is not over yet: the inter-related evens are still leading us towards somewhere which none of us could see. If I did not believe that, then I would not have so much hope for this society.

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