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Date Posted: 06:36:05 01/23/08 Wed
Author: Steve P. (David Help!)
Subject: Re: My 1 Iron journey
In reply to: Steve P. 's message, "Re: My 1 Iron journey" on 06:59:02 01/21/08 Mon

This may be a stupid question but here goes. My WTF 36.8. What I am finding is that I am consistantly hitting my 1 Irons as follows;
LW,SW left @ 6 ysrds
GW left @ 4 yards
PW left @ 2 yards
9-8-7 Straight
6 right @ 6 yards
5 rigth @ 12 yards
4 right @ 15 yards
3 right @ 20 yards
Seems like a lie issue but what is causing it?
Question, The most common fault when transitioning to the 1 irons would be,
a- I am subconsiously changing my swing plane.
b- I am changing my distance from the ball.
c- I am moving the ball up and back in my stance.
D- I just suck.

Since you use geometry to determine shaft length based on a predetermined lie angle and the constant of human physiology, with my WTF and shaft length, what is the predetermined distance I should be from the ball at address for these irons. Also, is this distance from the toe or heel line. Please assume I am set-up square to the target line and provide a precise number.
I appreciate any advise as I feel like I am forcing and manipulating and guiding the ball right now. Just need the confidence that I am set-up properly so I can groove my swing from there.
Thanks David,
Steve P.

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[> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> Re: My 1 Iron journey -- David Lake, 08:02:10 01/23/08 Wed

Steve,

You have fallen into the trap of over-analysis. You are hitting your #7, #8, and #9 straight but are hitting the higher lofted irons to the left and the lower lofted irons to the right. What you have to remember is that all of your irons are identical in every respect with the exception of loft angle. Therefore, if you use the same swing, set-up, and ball position with all of the irons you will get exactly the same directional results. If not then you are unconsciously making swing changes based on the particular iron you have in your hands (a deeply rooted mental carryover from using conventional irons).

I would strongly suggest that you go to the range three days in a row and only take your #3 iron with you (taking any other irons will tempt you into using them). Your #3 iron is your lowest lofted iron and will produce the least amount of backspin. This lesser amount of backspin will make any swing flaws show up immediately (a high degree of backspin will mask most swing flaws). Once you become proficient with your #3 iron you will have automatically become exponentially more proficient with all of your other higher lofted irons without even practicing with them (this is another benefit of single-length irons).

After this point it is extremely important to use your new #3 iron swing, set-up, and ball position with every other iron in your set. By practicing with only one iron you are not confusing your unconscious mind with all of the different set-ups and swings associated with a conventional set of irons. This allows you to ingrain your single efficient swing deeply into your muscle memory.

David Lake


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[> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> I hope you keep posting your progress. -- Cub, 10:14:05 01/23/08 Wed

This is a very interesting thread.


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[> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> Oops! Above message meant for Steve P, not David (n/t). -- Cub, 10:16:28 01/23/08 Wed

n/t


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[> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> Re: Oops! Above message meant for Steve P, not David (n/t). -- Steve P., 11:05:54 01/23/08 Wed

Thanks David,
I am an engineer and unfortunatly this comes with the territory. I will do as you suggest and only hit the 3 iron until I hone it in. In regards to the distance from the ball, I am 6'3" with 34" inseam. I would think that there would be a specific distance I should be from the ball for the 63.5 D lie of the heads.
Off I go with the 3 iron, wish me luck.
Steve P.


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[> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> Re: Distance from ball -- David Lake, 11:33:55 01/23/08 Wed

Steve,

A simple way to determine your correct distance from the ball at address would be to take your normal set-up and then extend your arms fully so that your left arm and the shaft of the golf club form a straight line. Make sure that the score lines on the clubface are parallel with the ground to ensure a proper posture. Where the sole of the clubhead touches the ground is where you want to place the ball at address.

David Lake


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[> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> Re: Distance from ball -- Steve P. (Thanks David), 06:57:47 01/24/08 Thu

OK, to be honest, I have never been one to go to the range and pound 3 irons, I much prefer hitting the majority of my practice shots from 100 yards in and as such, I am a very good wedge player. But, I am committed to giving these 1 Irons a run for their money so I went out yesterday in the wind and rain, 3 iron in tow and hit a couple hundred balls. It was a very revealing experience.
Firstly, I realized I was crowding the ball, by about 6".
Secondly, I realized I was comming too far from the inside, either blocking it right or if I was able to flip through it, hitting a low sniper to the left.
I proceded to work on getting my plane in order and by about 100 balls I was hitting torwards my target, for the most part. Not a pretty trajectory yet, but straight.
I started to feel comfortable and began trying to hit golf shots, working the ball higher with a nice cut or hitting a low draw that runs forever (A shot I would use on a short par 4 off the tee).
By this time I had a smile on my face and I was pretty worn out, but, I had to see how I would hit another club after all these 3 irons, so, I went to my car and grabbed a wedge.
David, you are so right when you say focus on your 3 iron and all the other clubs will benifit, which is contrarian to standard length clubs. I hit about 10 wedges and was hitting them so high and so far it was ridiculous. I was basically hitting the ball about 120 yards with what I would call a half wedge. As pure as the driven snow....
I am so excited...
Steve P.


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[> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> Re: Distance from ball -- Steve P. (Should I continue?), 09:14:26 02/04/08 Mon

All,
Not sure how this thread is going, I don't want to tie up the space if this is going nowhere. I will update this thread going forward when I feel I have something interesting to offer.

My observations so far;
I have hit @ 3000 range balls, chipped for a few hours and played 5 rounds with my new 1 Irons.

Ball flight is higher than I would prefer but I am hesitant to make any adjustments until I groove my "One" swing with all the irons.
It is very easy to hit a draw with these irons, not so for the fade, this I would expect with the head design.
My biggest problem on the course has been with the wedges, the sharp leading edge and the added length of the shaft make it very easy to hit the ball fat, of which I've done too many times. I don't seem to have the same trouble on the range, so this has been very frustrating.
I am playing a new course(to me) with a new group of guys Friday, this should be a very good indication of how I am comming along with these clubs.

At this point, I am confident that I made a good decision going with the 1 Irons....
I will let you all know.
Steve P.


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[> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> Re: Distance from ball -- michael, 11:10:59 02/04/08 Mon

yes steve you should keep posting.this is a very interesting thread plus i am on the fence about ordering these clubs.thanks for all the posts,i hope they keep coming.


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[> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> Re: Distance from ball -- Len (Interested), 19:47:58 05/08/08 Thu

Steve keep posting. This is a very interesting and informative thread. Keep playing and posting.


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