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Date Posted: 23:51:05 06/15/21 Tue
Author: Jordan (Inquisitive)
Subject: Iron Technology: Hollow Body
Hi,
I will be receiving my Blackstone irons in the next 2 days in Australia and I'm very excited.
I have been looking through the forums and noticed like others, that the design of the irons has remained the same for some time.
I have also seen that this is due to only implementing proven golf technologies which is great to see. My question is simply;
With the recent development of hollow body Irons, boasting things like added distance through thinner faces, forgiveness through thicker soles as well as nice profiles for beginner friendly irons, would implementing technology like this in traditional lofts with uniform gapping (this is something I find infuriating about the golf industry) ever be technology worth looking into? or is it simply design hype to get me to spend more money?
Secondly, if this isn't the kind of advancement that is considered to be enough to justify a change, what would?
Either way I'm very excited to see my new irons soon.
Thanks
Jordan
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Re: Iron Technology: Hollow Body -- David Lake, 04:06:34 06/16/21 Wed
Jordan,
You are correct - marketing hype. There has been no serious breakthrough in iron technology since Karsten Solheim (Ping)introduced perimeter weighted irons in 1969. We have never played the marketing game of "New and Improved" every year as have all of the other golf companies, and we never will. Our iron design has stood the test of time, and you could say that we got it right the first time.
David Lake
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Re: Iron Technology: Hollow Body -- Jordan, 04:42:03 06/17/21 Thu
Thanks for the reply David, that’s definitely a fair comment and I’m looking forward to finding this out for myself tomorrow with my new blacks tones
Thanks!
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Re: Iron Technology: Hollow Body -- trent, 05:40:18 08/17/21 Tue
Does the center of gravity move throughout the sets? I know Wishon does something to that effect to help trajectory throughout the set
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Re: Iron Technology: Hollow Body -- David Lake, 06:56:41 08/17/21 Tue
Trent,
Wishon does nothing of the kind. I designed our clubheads with, to my knowledge, the lowest center of gravity in the golf industry. This ensures that the ball gets up in the air quickly, maximizing distance.
From the #3 iron through the wedges each clubface increases in vertical length (sole to top-line), as well as tilting rearward due to the incrementally increasing loft angles. This statically moves the center of gravity upwards incrementally as the loft angles increase. However, it also moves the center of gravity rearwards incrementally which effectively keeps the center of gravity at approximately the same position throughout the set.
David Lake
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Re: Iron Technology: Hollow Body -- Pedro Cardona, 06:09:24 10/24/21 Sun
I have been playing single length irons since the early stages of Davids single length design from way back to the Maltby design and outburst irons.
The so called advanced designs is nothing but marketing. There is only so much you can do with the confined space of an iron.
This was maxed out years ago. Now 3D printed, irons, cupped face, reinforced faces and so on. and new to middle HC players still cant hit them.
The facts are the companies are making the irons tooo strong in loft and shaft length. This is where most of the extra distance comes from when you have a good strike.
However This creates a disaster in the shorter wedges because now you have to carry even more wedges to make up for the stronger lofted irons. The simpler the face the better. figure out the longest iron you can hit, after that fit in a good fairway wood. Noticed I said fairway wood or hybrid which ever works best to fill in that larger gap.
I also have a standard set along with my 1irons. I can go back and forward between sets no problem. In fact the 1irons also improved my so called standard set striking also.
The only thing I would like to see is in future is possibly going to a Bimatrix shaft as they called in the early days, a shaft half graphite and lower part steel.
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Re: Iron Technology: Hollow Body -- Pedro Cardona, 13:43:43 10/30/21 Sat
quote-Secondly, if this isn't the kind of advancement that is considered to be enough to justify a change, what would?
eventually there may be a break through that may justify a change.
lets look at what other manufacturers are doing different that has not proven to make a vast difference? using single length.
Using various designs to manipulate where the weight is in the iron, example, printed insert designs, Hollow body, adding weight lower on the face, different face designs to increase ball speed and trajectory. Different lie angles.
Different shaft flexes or specs within the set to either reduce wedge performance but increase longer iron performance.
Very expensive shafts Like Edel uses making sets over 2500.00. and within the set the shafts of wedges, middle irons and longer irons are different.
But yet arguably the poster child for single length uses and older design head from cobra, and his custom LA shafts that fit him and all the shafts are the same.
The biggest difference is that the industry is so stuck on certain trajectories and launch angles they are stuck.
again they will come out with a different looking, Iron, Another driver promising longer distance, wedges that spin even more and so on. Can they ever get it right?
And has these changes been so advanced that you have played the best of your life with them. Most unlikely. at least you have a fighting chance with 1irons. Let your game do the talking stay the course and practice with them.
The truth is the 1irons are not magic you still have to put in the time. its just reducing variables. I never mention what I play until they ask me.
My bag is a mixed bag 1irons from 5-LW Ping driver G425 44.5" added weight to head. Ping 4 wood 16.50 and 20o hybrid, and Old TM putter. what ever lets you play well. if it works don't change it. But I understand its human nature to try the new stuff. But what happens is it ends up on E-Bay and you lost at least half of what you paid.
A few try 1irons and say it was not for them. My next question is how long did you play them.A week 2 weeks? But they keep on buying into the new club designs only to get disappointed again. and the Vicious cycle again.
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