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Re: ESPN Board -- Bronco Fan, 20:11:41 02/10/05 Thu
I think getting someone from Spokane would be a nightmare. Do you honestly think that Mark Few (or any of his assistants) could recruit effectively in the Bay Area? I'd perfer they promoted Seandel before taking someone from that hole up north.
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Rambis & Grier -- JC, 21:10:10 02/10/05 Thu
Here in So Cal, Rambis (47) was a fairly visible presence until recently. His time with the Lakers as a player and coach would serve him well with recruiting in this area. He is 6-7 years younger than Westphal and would be 3 years younger than Westphal was when he started at Pepp.Westphal's recent problems haven't come from a lack of recruiting-- he's been getting good players (yes, I know they have a bigger pool to recruit from).How Rambis would play in the rest of the west is a big "who knows?" Holton in Portland isn't much younger (UCLA '83) and he's done a credible job. Having NBA experience and caring about the program (as an alumni,I'm making an assumption here)would go a long way. How he'd relate to young athletes vis a vis recruiting is anyone's guess.
A "young up and comer" like Grier (41) might work out superbly, but it's almost inevitable that any significant success--the type we'd all like-- would lead to his departure to a bigger program. Unless he's wired like Randy Bennett or Mark Few, SCU would be lucky to have him 3-4 years if he proved to be good as we'd hoped he'd be. It would be kind of an ironic 'dramtic arc': Carroll Williams' Assistant Fitzgerald to Gonzaga followed by
Monson/Few then to Grier (he's been at 'Zaga 14 years)and back to SCU.
Whatever changes, if any, are made they won't guarantee success. If they are made,all I want is a legit chance to go to the 'Dance' every season,Sweet 16 appearances every couple of years and a consistent chance to be excited about the program every year. Weighing everything, including media exposure, which helps with TV and recruiting, I'd go with Kurt. But I could definetly live with Grier.
Here's the 'Zag link that describes Grier; he's sounds pretty good.
http://gozags.collegesports.com/sports/m-baskbl/mtt/grier_bill00.html
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Bronco Fan -- JC, 21:22:55 02/10/05 Thu
brings up a good point about Grier's recruiting base.Outside of the four international players, all but 2 of the Zag players come from the Northwest.- none from Cali. As for Seandel, he is highly regarded as assistants go and was a successful HS coach.My concern would be that he has been responsible for the offense for years and how many ugly possessions can you remember where the Broncos got off a terrible shot? Their FG% has been bad for a long time.
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Re: ESPN Board -- THuckaby, 07:04:12 02/11/05 Fri
I'm gonna go with JC here. Say what you will about Rambis being past generation, the fact is he has STRONG NBA links, particularly with the Lakers, and you don't think that would be a strong help in getting potential NBA players here, something we have really NEVER had?
He's also young (relatively), energetic, and devoted to SCU through and through.
As for Grier, I only mention him because he is slated to take Few's slot if an when he leaves (it's in both of their contracts). So if we snare him, we hurt GU's succession plan which to me is a GREAT thing! He also is pretty damn well respected, and as for recruiting, well where do you think all these international players they are getting came from?
Both of these are likely pie in the sky, I don't know. So on a more realistic plane, what I'd like to see is some top young assistant, one with energy and a proven recruiting record. Can we say RODNEY TENTION? I bet he was pretty pissed he didn't get the USF job.. he remains top assistant to Lute at AZ. Young, energetic, rising star. No SCU ties obviously, but pretty damn strong WCC ties.
One final thought: if Steve Seandel gets the job post-Davey, thereby continuing the legacy of lethargy, I sever all ties to my alma mater's hoops program. I am NOT kidding. Not that they give a rat's ass what a yokel like me thinks, but that hire would represent all that we are trying to get away from.
Give it to Pierce, hell give it to anyone besides Seandel. That is unless you enjoy mediocrity.
Of course all this assume DD steps down gracefully. God I hope he does. I don't want the AD to have to force him out - that is not our way.
But then again, maybe our way needs to change? More food for thought.
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Re: ESPN Board -- Disgruntled Bronco Fan, 09:35:40 02/11/05 Fri
I'm skeptical about Rambis but you never know. I would prefer to get a coach from the college ranks. Rambis has been out of the college game for some time now.
Grier would be an excellent choice. But it is possible that if he is successful, he'll bolt. But then again, once success has been established it could continue.
TH, I like the idea of the Arizona assistant Rodney Tention. He should be able to improve our recruiting in Southern Cali, which is where most basketball talent from Cali is anyways. When you look at AZ, most of the roster comes from SoCal. I don't know if Grier would be able to recruit guys from Washington to come down to SCU to play. So Tention would be a better choice.
Overall, I think it's best to go out of program to look for a new coach. But of course, these points are all moot if DD isn't fired or doesn't step down ("retire"). And please, don't even talk about hiring Seandel. He's heavily involved in recruiting. While the job he's done there is decent, it's definitely starting to fall behind the other schools in the conference.
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Re: ESPN Board -- Tom Huckaby, 09:50:54 02/11/05 Fri
Disgruntled:
You and I are completely copacetic on all of this - well said.
I'd rank the preferences like this:
1. Tention
2. Grier
3. Rambis
4. Another young energetic assistant, preferably a proven recruiter, preferably from a major program, preferably with some ties to the WCC.
5. Another assistant with some but not all of those qualities.
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165. Davey stays for one more year.
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250. Davey stays for two more years.
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1,000,000. Seandel.
TH
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Re: ESPN Board -- Disgruntled Bronco Fan, 10:01:03 02/11/05 Fri
Here's a link to Rodney Tention's profile.
He sounds like an excellent choice. Like I said earlier, college basketball is now a guard dominated sport. The stronger your backcourt, the more successful you are. And after the snubbing by USF, I'm sure he would love to rub it in their faces with SCU.
Let's cross our fingers that Coonan has some vision.
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Re: ESPN Board -- Bronco Fan, 10:07:01 02/11/05 Fri
Agree with most of the above sentiments.
We're also assuming that Coonan wouldn't bring in someone from Cal (i.e. his past life).
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Re: ESPN Board -- Tom Huckaby, 10:54:15 02/11/05 Fri
Very possible. But assuming we don't take Braun, are any Cal assistants worth our pursuit? I am not up on their program.
And Disgruntled, thanks for Tention profile. Yep, methinks he would be perfect for us.
TH
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