| Subject: Re: god, who can't logically exist. |
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Tommy
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Date Posted: 07:26:42 08/31/00 Thu
In reply to:
avalanche
's message, "god, who can't logically exist." on 07:00:46 08/31/00 Thu
> they say god is allpowerfull, meaning that he can do
> everything, but this, as any intelligent person would
> agree, is a logical impossibility. allow me to
> demonstrate by using a very simple and age-old
> question:
>
> could god make an object, that is so heavy, that even
> he can't lift it, using whatever means available to
> him?
>
> he either can't make it, or can't lift it (using
> whatever means available to him), this in itself
> proves the non-existance of an all-powerfull god (and
> therefore, the christian god, who is defined as
> allpowerfull). ofcourse christians attempt to refute
> this argument through various means (and fail at doing
> so), for example: "but why would god want to make such
> an object, that doesn't make sense!"
>
> wether or not god would want to make the object is
> irrelevant, if he could make the object, he couldn't
> lift it, and if he could lift it, he couldn't make it
> in the first place.
>
> "but god doesn't have to follow the rules of logic! so
> he can still do both!"
>
> this is ofcourse a cop-out, but it appears as though
> the christian has won, or did he? only one question
> ofcourse remains us:
>
> could god do it within the laws of logic?
>
> obviously not, and so we still have proven the
> non-existance of an all-powerfull god. (and thus the
> christian god)
>
>
> ofcourse, god is also defined as being omniscient (all
> knowing), that would mean he would know the future
> before it happened, being that he is all knowing, he
> would know the consequences of every event and action.
> in essence he wouldn't really have any free will
> himself. ofcourse then arises the question of how we
> can use this to show the non-existance of the
> christian god. well, think about it, christians claim
> that quite specifically that god made mistakes.
> supposedly humanity has done things that god didn't
> want us to do (why would there be a hell after all?),
> he told us not to eat from the fruit of knowledge, yet
> we did. if he was omniscient, he would know beforehand
> that we would eat from it anyway, so if he didn't
> really want us to eat from it, he would've devised a
> way to make sure we didn't. seeing as he didn't, we
> can be pretty sure that he either a) intended for us
> to eat from it, or b) isn't omniscient.
>
> if b) is the case, the christian god can not exist.
>
> if a) is the case, then god, who is also defined as
> being all-good, can not possibly exist either. after
> all, we are supposedly punished for what adam and eve
> did, they were thrown out of paradise for something
> god fully intended, basically speaking, he punished
> them (and us) for something that was his plan. this is
> not the act of a good god.
>
> and so we have it, the christian god can not exist.
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avalanche,
You always use the word Christian ...before the God doesn't exist part. Does that mean you might believe in a God then but just different from the one that is portrayed? Are you also trying to say that just because he might not be the kind of God that we think he is supposed to be ..does not mean that he is automatically evil and in a way you would be sticking up for him?
Tommy
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