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Date Posted: 05:16:14 09/01/00 Fri
In reply to:
James
's message, "Re: god, who can't logically exist." on 21:35:06 08/31/00 Thu
you didn't notice the "using whatever means available to him", changing anything would fall under "whatever means available to him", in fact, if he managed to lift it, no matter how he did, that would fall under "whatever means available to him", and thus he would not be able to create an object that is too heavy for him to lift using whatever means available to him, and if he can't lift the object, well then, you figured that part out.
not really, i have elaborated on it, and it still proves the non-existance of an allpowerfull god regardless of wether you accept it or not, you have not refuted my point, you have only strengthened it. simple.
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excuse me, but it's not pseudo logic.
and that again is a cop-out. basically what you're attempting to reach with such sayings is that no matter what valid questions we ask, no matter how powerfull arguments we make, there's some excuse in your minds (but not in any logical thinking mind)
irrelevant, by the very laws of logic, he can't do everything, and so he couldn't do it within the laws of logic. it's that simple, a god that can do everything, can not possibly exist.
no he can't. it's a logical impossibility, since it's a logical impossibility, he can't do it within the laws of logic. you could also ask: "could god destroy the planet if he transferred himself into a human body with all the limitations of the human body and if he couldn't use ANY tools or help?" no, obviously he couldn't.
then humans never do things that god doesn't want us to do. so god wants us to do what we do, and yet we still get sent to hell. that is not a good god, that is an evil god.
knowing damn well that intelligent people would not accept jesus. and btw, what fucking infinite mercy? if his mercy would be infinite, there would not even BE a hell. there would be NO punishment, since you claim there is, his mercy can not be infinite.
so he just let's us suffer for the fun of it? thought so.
please don't.
wrong. his "plan" can't save us all, because there are atheists and many different religions, since god knew this beforehand, and since such people aren't saved, he knew beforehand that his plan could not save us all, and is thus not perfect.
i never saw it.
ah...hiroshima?
actually one can. it's the problem of memecomplexes that interfers, a person who is religious, such as yourself, will REFUSE all logic that argues AGAINST them. faith by definition is blind, and without doubt, this makes faith inferior. logic easily defeats faith in any discussion (as your attempts to argue against me clearly show), the only problem is that you theists refuse to accept defeat.
hah.
Logic is defined by our own weak minds.
so is faith.
you know, god doesn't exist. if you wish to claim that
god exists, then you must prove that god exists, and in order to do that, you must use logic, but since you have just denounced logic, you can not prove god exists, not even argue it correctly, and thus you can not claim god exists.
We know it's there, we can "feel" it,
funny, i *know* that god is NOT there, i can FEEL it.
yes it does, and you're a prime example of this. you have refused my original argument without ONCE, in any reasonable manner trying to argue against it. instead, you resorted to meaningless supserstititious bullshit that doesn't prove a damn thing.
you are just like all you other theists, you refuse intelligence. by accepting faith above doubt, you have made yourselves obsolete.
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