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Date Posted: 22:00:32 06/03/03 Tue
Author: Kashmanik
Subject: Mark explains Faith/Spike well enough in his ep, IMO.
In reply to: BunnyPhobia 's message, "Hmmm - so are we or aren't we?" on 21:33:21 06/03/03 Tue

I really don't think we need to worry about revisions - after all, ME writers make mistakes they can't take back once an ep airs! :-)

In all seriousness though, we *can* leave plot threads unresolved without mentioning them in the next episode. Just look at the start of S5 - Dawn's arrival wasn't explained for 5 episodes! Don't feel pressured by readers wanting to know what's happening - in the words of Joss, we give them what they *need*, not what they *want*. And a little suspense never hurt anyone.

So there's my hat thrown into the ring at least - I'm agaist revisions unless something *drastically* wrong has happened with an episode.

Oh, and Mark - I'm airing your episode tomorrow night (UK time) so it'll probably be up about.... um, between 3 and 5 pm US time.

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[> [> [> I understand but.. -- imisstara, 22:10:20 06/03/03 Tue

Just this once can we make a revision? I kinda feel like my episode doesn't matter in the season cause it isn't mentioned at all, which is a little upsetting cause i worked really hard on it. And I changed things in my episode for episode 16 at the writers' request, like the fight scene and the ending.

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[> [> [> [> I know where you're coming from, but..... -- Kashmanik, 22:30:41 06/03/03 Tue

...if it's any consolation I believe the events of your episode are referenced in Ep19, and I definitely plan on using some elements of your episode in Ep20. So it will be pivotal to the season, even if it isn't pivotal to the 2 following it (one of which *was* a dream!) :-)

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[> [> [> [> [> Well then I shouldn't have bothered revising my ep, after it aired, as a courtesy to the ep 16 writers -- imisstara *and thats the last I will say on the subject*, 22:49:13 06/03/03 Tue

Sorry but I had to vent. And that's as snarky as I get, I promise :)

Kinda feel like Faith right now...hehe. I think I'm gonna go dance slutty at a club and accidently kill a mayoral assistant. Then maybe I'll go make out with my principal...

We're all entitled to a little snark sometimes, right? :)

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[> [> [> [> Again, imisstara - we are sorry about the mix up -- BunnyPhobia, 22:39:43 06/03/03 Tue

And I know if I got chance to do it again, I'd come at it from a whole different angle.

Saying that, we did include the book, which people keep OVERLOOKING! Which is as annoying in itself as the 'xander's a murderer!' - NO, he's a manslaughtered..Stabbing with intent...but Amy's not DEAD...

*sigh*

Bloody fans *veg*

~BP

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[> [> [> [> [> Last thing I say about this... LOL I promise! -- imisstara, 00:31:10 06/04/03 Wed

Spike: Did we miss anything?

Buffy: Um...should we be asking you the same question?

Faith: What are you talking about, B?

Anya: Oh, she's going to pretend to ignore the obvious tension. I like that, a smart way to go. Always a good way to cover up the se-

Faith: (confused) Look, me and Souled Vamp the Second here were doing just what you told us to do.

Spike: Didn't find much info, aside from the usual "death to the good guys" line.

Faith: So old.

Dawn: (under her breath) Even I don't buy that...

Giles: Yes, well even though I hate to break up this...whatever this is, we really should plan what our next move will be. Something dangerous has emerged from the Hellmouth, and we need to know what that danger is.

Buffy: We should wait till night and check it out then. The cops will have had time to make up their lame yet understandable excuse for what happened by then.

Xander: Freak water pipe explosion? 4 out of 5 misguided Sunnydale cops use that as their excuse of choice!

Andrew: What about the fifth one?

Xander: (shakes head) He didn't make it...

Dawn: Ooh, I bet they blame it on that creepy new girl who keeps sniffing her pencils.

Buffy: Okay, disturbing theories aside, I think Kennedy, Willow, Xander, Dawn and I can check it out later tonight. It'll be one big crispy Hellmouth bash. There might be s'mores involved.

Andrew: Ooh, s'mores! I hope they won't taste like demon...

(Spikes walks up to Buffy)

Spike: What about me?

Buffy: (quietly) I think you've had enough action for one night.

(End Scene, pick up right where episode 16 opens, all is good)
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This took me 6 MINUTES to write. I'm not even saying to use this, I'm just trying to make a point. The reason I did this was just to show that it's not a big deal, I don't understand why it is, and the episode can actually make sense with some sort of bridging beginning. That was the only point I was trying to make, but I don't think people realize that... :( I hope I didn't come off bitchy or annoying or anything like that. I really did have the good of the season in mind.

Ok, that's it!

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[> [> [> [> [> [> hehe this is funny! hehe smores.... -- Mark, 18:02:47 06/04/03 Wed

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[> [> [> Hey, I agree with you -- BunnyPhobia, 13:15:34 06/04/03 Wed

Ten minutes is nothing to provide a little closure that can then be reopened in the later episodes.

Seriously, I TOTALLY agree with you

~BP

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[> [> [> [> Can we reach some kind of compromise on this? -- Wyvern, 18:11:23 06/04/03 Wed

See, imisstara, BP and I agree with you, but Kash has spoken and in the end we need to acquiesce. There has to be one person who can say, "This is where it stops" and he has.

I've just re-read "Crisis" and I actually don't think that the continuity problem is as bad as it seems - as long as you don't assume the episode follows on immediately, because it wasn't written that way. I think there was the assumption that some time had passed and that for good or ill, certain things had been brought up "off-screen". I'm not saying that changes shouldn't have been made; I think what would have made all the difference (and actually, it would have been more than relevent to our episode) would have been to have recapped that final scene. But they do leave the way open for future episodes, and that's kind of the point about a serial; you don't clear things up straight away (I think that point's been made elsewhere in this thread), you may even let the go completely for a while to be picked up in the future. That's what we were doing, bringing in threads from several episodes before. Sure, the mix-up over the order of writers was unfortunate (I think we may have apologised for that *g*) but these things do happen. But the thing is, it isn't over yet.

So here's my suggestion...

Before we wear ourselves out from all the jumping up and down about what we should or shouldn't change, why don't we see what the next episode has in store? Apparently, Mark's done a really good job on the Faith and Spike story and to be honest, the way "Crisis" reads to me, it sets them up nicely for a reasonably serious bit of exposition later on, which may actually do the story more justice than a throwaway scene at the beginning of ours. Plus, if we bugger about with ours, it means that it may upset future continuity. So can we just trust Mark to do a great job and see how it works out?

And no, imisstara, I don't think you were being in any way difficult or snarky or whatever, just someone defending a piece of work of which you are justifiable proud.

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[> [> [> [> [> Thank you, BP and Wyvern. From the bottom of my heart... -- imisstara, 18:17:42 06/04/03 Wed

...I hope I have not offended either of you, because that was never once my intent. I was just a little passionate yesterday, lol I hope you can understand. I guess i was just thrown for a loop that the request was denied and was a little taken aback by that. I didn't even really care before, if I did i would have posted something the day your ep was posted, which was a wonderful ep, by the way. Can't say that enough.

Yes, we can definitely reach a comprimise. I want to put this behind us because I love all you guys!! You're great! I would seriously be happy with one sentence added, that's it. Just one sentence and I think the eps can be briged. Something like, "Spike ran off a little while ago, I think he was a little uncomfortable from all the stares he and Faith got... Too bad they couldn't find any good info." Or, at the least, some scenes added to your previously on... segment.

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[> [> [> [> [> [> Forgot to add... -- imisstara, 18:29:51 06/04/03 Wed

That I have great confidence that Mark resolved things well, enough to that we won't have to put in an entire extra scene to this. Like i said, one line would be nice, but im not going to press it. It just really bugs me that people are critizing your ep because of something like that and not even looking at the content.

But again, I wanted to apologize deeply if I offended either of you. I completly know it was a mistake and I feel almost embarresed this has turned into something that it shouldn't have.

-Katie

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[> [> [> [> [> [> [> Please don't sweat it - I really do understand :) -- Wyvern, 19:19:48 06/04/03 Wed

I'm really not offended by anything you've said - I understand where you're coming from. And there's really no cause for embarrassment - to be honest, this board has been ticking along for too long without anything resembling a blow-out to clear the air and if this is as bad as it gets then we're doing great!

And don't worry about other people critcising us - I'm hoping that as the season comes to a conclusion they'll see what we were trying to do and it's going to make a lot more sense.

Hmmm.... d'you think we should maybe stop apologising at each other yet???

*hugs*

Wyv

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[> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> I just want to explain my decision. -- Kashmanik, 09:46:56 06/05/03 Thu

To be completely honest, the reason I'm against going back and making changes is that it sets a precedent. If we open that door, it's likely that future authors will say "Oh, here's how this line could be funnier." or "I should have added another scene here." and it will be absolute chaos. And if I say no, the response? "You let someone else do it."

I do sympathise with you, but I've got to take a stance on this, and unfortunately I *have* to be the bad guy here. Part of the job. :-(

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[> [> [> [> Well I think we're all swell :) -- BunnyPhobia, 19:19:51 06/05/03 Thu

imisstara - see everything Wyvy said, and double it for me. Kash has a point, he has authority, and at the same time it is justified for you to want your episode to be recognised. Of course it is!

But I'm off to go read Mark's ep, which I'm sure is brilliant...

And hey, least the disgruntled readers keep talking about it :)

~BP

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