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Subject: 2 Peter 1:1 - Is Jesus Called "God" in this verse?


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Ronald
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Date Posted: 14:23:52 03/02/06 Thu

2 Peter 1:1 is often listed, amongst many other scriptures, as a place that Jesus is called "God", and, from this, many conclude that Jesus is Yahweh. I thought the following research might be helpful.

2 Peter 1:1
From four translations:

SIMON PETER, a servant and legate of Jesus the Messiah, to those who have obtained equally precious faith with us, through the righteousness of Our Lord and Redeemer, Jesus the Messiah;


Murdock's Syriac Translation
Simon Peter, a servant and apostle of Jesus Christ, to them that have obtained a like precious faith with us in the righteousness of our God and [the] Saviour Jesus Christ:


American Standard Version
Simon Peter, a servant and an apostle of Jesus Christ, to them that have obtained like precious faith with us through the righteousness of God and our Saviour Jesus Christ:


King James Version
Simeon Peter, a servant and apostle of Jesus Christ, To those who have obtained a faith of equal standing with ours in the righteousness of our God and Savior Jesus Christ:


Revised Standard Version
As can be seen from the above, there are several ways that translators have rendered this verse, so there is some dispute over how it should be viewed. If the Syriac is correct, then we should plainly see that this verse is not referring to Jesus as Yahweh. The Syriac is probably correct, since this is the expression that Peter used in 2 Peter 1:11; 2:20; 3:2 and 3:18.

However, even if Jesus is being called "THEOS" in this verse, this would not mean that Jesus is Yahweh, since the Greek word THEOS, based on the Hebrew words EL and ELOHIM, can take on a more general meaning than Supreme Being, or a false "god".* Yahweh is the God and Father of Jesus. (Romans 15:6; 2 Corinthians 1:3; 11:31; Ephesians 1:3,17; 1 Peter 1:3) The Father of Jesus is the only true God who sent Jesus. (John 17:1,3; Deuteronomy 18:15-19) Jesus is not that only true God who sent him.
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*See the study on the Hebraic usages of words for "God":
http://reslight.net/hebraicusage.html

However, the above translations show that there is not a general agreement as to how the verse should be translated, even from the Textus Receptus (Recieved Text). Some translations make a total separation between "God" and "our Savior", while others make it appear that Jesus is being called "our God and Savior".

The dispute in this verse is usually over whether Sharp's "article+substantive-kai-substantive" rule should apply or not. Sharp's first rule of greek grammar states: "When two personal nouns of the same case are connected by the copulative kai, if the former has the definite article, and the latter has not, they both relate to the same person." In accordance with this, his rule #6 states: "If they are connected by the copulative, and both have the article, they relate also to different persons." He then has other rules that give "exceptions" to these rules. Additonally, his rules and exceptions cannot be applied to the Setuagint Greek with any degree of consistency, so we cannot be for sure how valid these rules are. Sharp's purpose for his study was to prove that Jesus is God, and the manner in which he narrows the rules and exceptions as applied to the NT Greek seems to narrow these rules to the purpose he sought. For the first rule to apply, both must be personal, both must be singular, and both must be non-proper (i.e., common terms, not proper names). Sharp makes an exception to his rule #6 for John 20:28, on the grounds that the evidence shows that it is speaking of one person.* Assuming the validity of Sharp's rules, the question is, are there proper names being used in 2 Peter 1:1, or does the context indicate that two persons are being referred to? Is there contextual evidence that shows that two persons, and not one, are being referred to? Was Peter trying to follow some alleged rule of Greek grammar to indicate that Jesus is God, or was he thinking of God and Jesus as two separate persons when he wrote 2 Peter 1:1? Sharp, of course, in accordance with the purpose of his study, concluded that Peter is definitely calling Jesus "God" in 2 Peter 1:1. Our question is, is his conclusion solid?
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*See the study on John 20:28
http://reslight.net/john20-28.html

Many argue that in 2 Peter 1:1, "God" can be viewed as a proper name, and that "Savior Jesus Christ" can also viewed as a proper name, which would call for an exception to Sharp's general rule, and mean that two different persons are being spoken of.

Another exception to Sharp's rule is that provided by evidence and context. We therefore note a tradition found in the New Testament letters that show that it was usual to start their greetings by references both the Father and his Son. This gives another reason to believe that, if Peter did actual use the word "God" here, rather "the Lord" (Syriac), then it should be viewed as applied to the God and Father of Jesus, not to Jesus.

Further evidence can be seen in the context, where Peter makes references to "God" as the Father, and distinguishes "God" from Jesus (1 Peter 1:2,3,21; 2:5; 3:18,21; 4:10; 2 Peter 1:17); thus it is highly unlikely that Peter meant anything different in 2 Peter 1:1. Even in the following verse Peter distinguishes between God and Jesus, thus the context does indicate two persons are being referred to. (2 Peter 1:2) This is the basis for some translations that render this in such a way so as to show a distinction between "God" and "Our Savior, Jesus Christ".

Below are some other renderings of the phrase from 2 Peter 1:1, in which a distinction is indicated between God and Jesus:

the righteousness of God and our Savior Jesus Christ -- Third Millenium Bible translation

of our God and the Saviour Jesus Christ -- New Revised Standard Version, margin

through the righteousness of our God and of our Deliverer Yeshua the Messiah -- The Complete Jewish Bible translation

through the righteousness of God and our Savior Jesus Christ -- Webster's Bible Translation

righteousness of our God and of our Saviour Jesus Christ. -- Weymouth New Testament

the righteousness of our God and Savior Jesus Christ -- New International Verson

our God and the savior Jesus Christ -- New American Bible translation, margin

the righteousness of our God, and the Saviour, Jesus Christ: -- Concordant Literal New Testament

thro' the veracity of our God, and of Jesus Christ. -- Daniel Mace New Testament (1729)

the righteousness of our God and our Savior, Jesus Christ -- Literal Translation of the HOLY BIBLE, by Jay P. Green, Sr.

the righteousness of our God and of our Savior Jesus Christ -- Simple English Bible translation

share the faith that God in his justice has equally allotted to us; as well as that of our Saviour Jesus Christ. -- 21st Century NT

Of course, if the Syriac manuscript is correct, the word "God" does not even appear in 2 Peter 1:1.

At any rate, one can see that it is very questionable that Peter is referring to Jesus as THEOS. Of course, Jesus is our THEOS, our might, in the power and authority given to him by God, but this usage of THEOS does not mean that Jesus is God, thus there is nothing in 2 Peter 1:1 that says that Jesus is Jehovah God. Definitely, there is surely nothing there that gives any idea that Jesus is a person of God, or that there are three persons in God.

Below are some links related to the above, although I do not necessarily agree with all that is said.

http://jehovah.to/exe/discussion/more_5.htm
Our Savior Jesus Christ by Greg Stafford

http://www.ibiblio.org/bgreek/test-archives/html4/1998-04/index.html#24763
B-Greek: Sharp's Rule and Quasi-Propr Names (Forum Discussions)

http://www.ibiblio.org/bgreek/test-archives/html4/1998-04/index.html#24805
BGreek Discussion: Another Carson Question, Granville-Sharp Rule

http://www.ibiblio.org/bgreek/test-archives/html4/1998-04/index.html#24838
BGreek: Final Thoughts on Sharp's Rule - Greg Stafford; see also Correction

http://www.ibiblio.org/bgreek/test-archives/html4/1996-06/13588.html
BGreek Forum Discussion: Sharp's Rule

http://www.thechristadelphians.org/forums/index.php?showtopic=17&st=0&
Titus 2:13 & 2 Peter 1:1, Granville Sharp vs Biblical Consistency

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Christian love,
Ronald

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Re: 2 Peter 1:1 - Is Jesus Called "God" in this verse?Servant19:47:28 03/24/06 Fri
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