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Date Posted: Sat, Sep 15, 01:40:00am CST
Author: sparkieg (can we get back to hunting???)
Author Host/IP: ppp-70-128-117-189.dsl.tulsok.swbell.net / 70.128.117.189
Subject: Re: Can we get back to hunting?
In reply to: kneedeepinbs 's message, "Re: Can we get back to hunting?" on Fri, Sep 14, 11:39:46pm CST

>>I will say, I do not agree with how things are being
>>handled with the association. I am glad we registered
>>our dogs UKC too. I appreciate our dog Newt being
>>voted in the hall of fame at the meeting last year,
>>but he did not get put in the yearbook or recognized
>>by the association. That was alittle disappointing.
>>Trying to change the certain breed standards now
>>doesn't make sense. I thought we were suppose to
>>breed for ability- not color. It seems if you are
>>looking for white in certain places, you are looking
>>for a certain color-not the dogs ability.
>>My biggest gripe is I thought the best part of our
>>association was to go to hunts and enjoy the
>>companionship of fellow hunters. I wish we had more
>>hunts for more areas. It would be great to go to a
>>hunt, sit around and talk about dogs and meet new
>>people.
>>This is what I wish we could focus our energy on.
>>Susan
>
>Susan, it sounds as if you are looking for a social
>hunting club where comraderie and activities and
>social interaction are served up as a main course.
>Correct me if I'm wrong, but I believe the name of the
>association is American Leopard Cur Breeder's
>Association? If that is the case, then it would
>follow that the name of the association suggests that
>it is about breeding leopard curs for hunting. So,
>that being the case, then it logic would suggest that
>there should be a breed standard to measure up to,
>something that makes a leopard cur a leopard cur and
>not some mix breed. Admittedly, all dog breeds
>started by cross breeding something, but then the
>breeders started aiming for a look or personality or
>whatever standard that was set and I believe that was
>established long ago for leopards and there are
>established colors as well. From what I have read on
>this forum, this association simply wants dogs that
>hunt and several of your members that have voiced
>their opinions here aren't too concerned with how the
>dogs look and they aren't interested in a standard.
>Well, if all you want are dogs that hunt, then why
>have "leopard cur" in your organization's name at all?
> Why not call yourselves the American Hunting Cur
>Association? My Webster's dictionary says that a cur
>is a dog of mixed breed, a mongrel. If you don't want
>to hold to a breed standard look that distinguishes
>Leopards from all the mongrels being bred out there to
>do nothing more than hunt, maybe you should rename
>your outfit to be what the feeling being expressed on
>here is. That would kill the dilemma of setting a
>standard that sets Leopard's apart from all the mix
>breeds you hunt and have fun with. If ever you want
>Leopards to become recognized and accepted as a breed
>by the best kennel clubs, you will need a standard
>look as well as a standard for hunting ability and it
>must be consistent. If you are naming your
>association after a breed, then you should strive to
>promote the breed to the same extent that you want it
>to prove itself in the field. Now you might ask
>yourselves what do I know about standards and breeding
>programs? I know, because in the past, we have raised
>championship stock that were judged in competition, by
>a standard, and our breeding program was based on that
>standard. And we belonged to an association that was
>promoting our breed. And it doesn't matter what you
>are breeding, be it rabbits, cattle, sheep,
>cage-birds, horses, dogs, cats, or whatever, the
>standard is what you judge your animals by and it's
>your guide to measure your achievement towards the
>perfection of your breed. That's how you know you
>have a quality product to register and get top dollar
>for. I've been following this board for a while now
>and as near as I can see, Mr. Oller is trying to do
>just what I've been talking about and I for one
>commend him for his vision for the breed. The
>association would do well to get serious and follow
>his lead if they intend to continue to be a "leopard
>cur breeder's association". Otherwise, I suggest you
>give it up to or move over for those who do want to
>perfect the breed. Because when you are striving to
>standardize your breed and improve them, you draw
>newcomers who bring a new passion and zeal with them
>to feed new life and energy into the organization.
>Think about it. It's been ice chatting with you.
>Thanks for listening! (!)
Kneedeepinbs,,just a few comments after reading your post critizing about what you think you know about some of the standards of the Leopard Cur and the visions of owners of the registration office. I have been around for 30 years and have gone thru 5 different owners of the registration office and I must say that all of them have had their own visions of what they believe are the best for the rest of us. Now, I don't see a problem with this unless they think they are the only one that knows anything about these dogs and what they look like. You mentioned that some of us think that the only requirement for a Leopard Cur is that they must tree a coon or some kind of game. In this case, I believe you are reading part of what you have been seeing. What about the color white that has been a big issue. The owner of the registration office has made a decision about the color white and where it is located so isn't this the same as you thinking that we as a association believe some of us are breeding for ability first. All you have to do is go back in history and see the dogs that Richard McDuffie started the first registration office and look at the pictures that started this thing. In case you don't have any pictures of these early day dogs, I will try and post some of these and let everyone see the breed standards was in those dogs. I'm not saying that he was wrong about the ability of the early day Leopards but if those pictures indicate the breed standards of the Leopard Cur then we are all missing the boat somewhere. Everytime someone buys the registration office they think everyone must follow what they think is the best road to go down for all of us. Now think about it....five different owners of the registration office in my past 30 years means there have been a lot of dogs that have gone thru these visionaries eyes. I don't think one man will be able to change the visions the rest of these owners and breeders have. Now if you would, since you mentioned it, I will gladly move over and or step aside if you and not Randy will tell me on how you will perfect the breed.........sparkie

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