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Date Posted: Sun, Sep 16, 02:05:08pm CST
Author: Andy
Author Host/IP: NoHost / 207.102.37.92
Subject: Re: Can we get back to hunting?
In reply to: kneedeepinbs 's message, "Re: Can we get back to hunting?" on Sun, Sep 16, 12:59:04am CST

>>>>I will say, I do not agree with how things are being
>>>>handled with the association. I am glad we
>>registered
>>>>our dogs UKC too. I appreciate our dog Newt being
>>>>voted in the hall of fame at the meeting last year,
>>>>but he did not get put in the yearbook or recognized
>>>>by the association. That was alittle disappointing.
>>
>>>>Trying to change the certain breed standards now
>>>>doesn't make sense. I thought we were suppose to
>>>>breed for ability- not color. It seems if you are
>>>>looking for white in certain places, you are looking
>>>>for a certain color-not the dogs ability.
>>>>My biggest gripe is I thought the best part of our
>>>>association was to go to hunts and enjoy the
>>>>companionship of fellow hunters. I wish we had more
>>>>hunts for more areas. It would be great to go to a
>>>>hunt, sit around and talk about dogs and meet new
>>>>people.
>>>>This is what I wish we could focus our energy on.
>>>>Susan
>>>
>>>Susan, it sounds as if you are looking for a social
>>>hunting club where comraderie and activities and
>>>social interaction are served up as a main course.
>>>Correct me if I'm wrong, but I believe the name of
>the
>>>association is American Leopard Cur Breeder's
>>>Association? If that is the case, then it would
>>>follow that the name of the association suggests that
>>>it is about breeding leopard curs for hunting. So,
>>>that being the case, then it logic would suggest that
>>>there should be a breed standard to measure up to,
>>>something that makes a leopard cur a leopard cur and
>>>not some mix breed. Admittedly, all dog breeds
>>>started by cross breeding something, but then the
>>>breeders started aiming for a look or personality or
>>>whatever standard that was set and I believe that was
>>>established long ago for leopards and there are
>>>established colors as well. From what I have read on
>>>this forum, this association simply wants dogs that
>>>hunt and several of your members that have voiced
>>>their opinions here aren't too concerned with how the
>>>dogs look and they aren't interested in a standard.
>>>Well, if all you want are dogs that hunt, then why
>>>have "leopard cur" in your organization's name at
>all?
>>> Why not call yourselves the American Hunting Cur
>>>Association? My Webster's dictionary says that a cur
>>>is a dog of mixed breed, a mongrel. If you don't
>want
>>>to hold to a breed standard look that distinguishes
>>>Leopards from all the mongrels being bred out there
>to
>>>do nothing more than hunt, maybe you should rename
>>>your outfit to be what the feeling being expressed on
>>>here is. That would kill the dilemma of setting a
>>>standard that sets Leopard's apart from all the mix
>>>breeds you hunt and have fun with. If ever you want
>>>Leopards to become recognized and accepted as a breed
>>>by the best kennel clubs, you will need a standard
>>>look as well as a standard for hunting ability and it
>>>must be consistent. If you are naming your
>>>association after a breed, then you should strive to
>>>promote the breed to the same extent that you want it
>>>to prove itself in the field. Now you might ask
>>>yourselves what do I know about standards and
>breeding
>>>programs? I know, because in the past, we have raised
>>>championship stock that were judged in competition,
>by
>>>a standard, and our breeding program was based on
>that
>>>standard. And we belonged to an association that was
>>>promoting our breed. And it doesn't matter what you
>>>are breeding, be it rabbits, cattle, sheep,
>>>cage-birds, horses, dogs, cats, or whatever, the
>>>standard is what you judge your animals by and it's
>>>your guide to measure your achievement towards the
>>>perfection of your breed. That's how you know you
>>>have a quality product to register and get top dollar
>>>for. I've been following this board for a while now
>>>and as near as I can see, Mr. Oller is trying to do
>>>just what I've been talking about and I for one
>>>commend him for his vision for the breed. The
>>>association would do well to get serious and follow
>>>his lead if they intend to continue to be a "leopard
>>>cur breeder's association". Otherwise, I suggest you
>>>give it up to or move over for those who do want to
>>>perfect the breed. Because when you are striving to
>>>standardize your breed and improve them, you draw
>>>newcomers who bring a new passion and zeal with them
>>>to feed new life and energy into the organization.
>>>Think about it. It's been ice chatting with you.
>>>Thanks for listening! (!)
>>Kneedeepinbs,,just a few comments after reading your
>>post critizing about what you think you know about
>>some of the standards of the Leopard Cur and the
>>visions of owners of the registration office. I have
>>been around for 30 years and have gone thru 5
>>different owners of the registration office and I must
>>say that all of them have had their own visions of
>>what they believe are the best for the rest of us.
>>Now, I don't see a problem with this unless they think
>>they are the only one that knows anything about these
>>dogs and what they look like. You mentioned that some
>>of us think that the only requirement for a Leopard
>>Cur is that they must tree a coon or some kind of
>>game. In this case, I believe you are reading part of
>>what you have been seeing. What about the color white
>>that has been a big issue. The owner of the
>>registration office has made a decision about the
>>color white and where it is located so isn't this the
>>same as you thinking that we as a association believe
>>some of us are breeding for ability first. All you
>>have to do is go back in history and see the dogs that
>>Richard McDuffie started the first registration office
>>and look at the pictures that started this thing. In
>>case you don't have any pictures of these early day
>>dogs, I will try and post some of these and let
>>everyone see the breed standards was in those dogs.
>>I'm not saying that he was wrong about the ability of
>>the early day Leopards but if those pictures indicate
>>the breed standards of the Leopard Cur then we are all
>>missing the boat somewhere. Everytime someone buys the
>>registration office they think everyone must follow
>>what they think is the best road to go down for all of
>>us. Now think about it....five different owners of the
>>registration office in my past 30 years means there
>>have been a lot of dogs that have gone thru these
>>visionaries eyes. I don't think one man will be able
>>to change the visions the rest of these owners and
>>breeders have. Now if you would, since you mentioned
>>it, I will gladly move over and or step aside if you
>>and not Randy will tell me on how you will perfect the
>>breed.........sparkie
>
>Sparkie, I apologize if my post came across as
>critical. That was not my intent. I was merely
>making observations based on what I read on this forum
>and based on my own experiences with breeding various
>types of registerd animals. I believe I mentioned
>that I was a newcomer on this forum. I was testing
>the waters, to see if the people that belonged to the
>forum were welcoming to newcomers or so full of
>themselves they weren't willing to show newcomers the
>ropes and patiently take them under their wing and
>play up the good points of the association to entice
>them to join and participate. I surely got my answer
>with the surly responses I have received here. I see
>this is a good ol' boys club that is only interested
>in each other's opinions and not willing to take the
>time to help someone learn the ropes and gently show
>them the error of their ways. You certainly won't be
>receiving my application for membership anytime soon.
>I don't recall saying I wanted to change your breed or
>do anything at all with it. I was pointing out that I
>had some experience with breed standards and supported
>them. You can't live in the past, so going back to
>the dogs that started the breed won't change the fact
>that they have come a long way since then. I do still
>want to know this though, if you have been an
>association for some 30 years and have seen the
>registry change hands 5 times, why didn't you have the
>foresight to purchase the registry? You might not be
>where you are today had you had that vision. You
>might be running the show now instead of it sticking
>in your crop, that Randy or any of the other 5
>visionaries run it.

Needeep--sorry bud but the only BS your knee deep in is your own--friendlyness is a two way street common courtesy begats the same--guest or no guests. A dinner guest does not complain about the cooking....

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