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Date Posted: Sun, Sep 16, 01:14:36am CST
Author: kneedeepinbs
Author Host/IP: 70-101-216-216.dsl1.pco.ca.frontiernet.net / 70.101.216.216
Subject: Re: Can we get back to hunting?
In reply to: guy 's message, "Re: Can we get back to hunting?" on Sat, Sep 15, 05:37:31am CST

>>>I will say, I do not agree with how things are being
>>>handled with the association. I am glad we
>registered
>>>our dogs UKC too. I appreciate our dog Newt being
>>>voted in the hall of fame at the meeting last year,
>>>but he did not get put in the yearbook or recognized
>>>by the association. That was alittle disappointing.
>
>>>Trying to change the certain breed standards now
>>>doesn't make sense. I thought we were suppose to
>>>breed for ability- not color. It seems if you are
>>>looking for white in certain places, you are looking
>>>for a certain color-not the dogs ability.
>>>My biggest gripe is I thought the best part of our
>>>association was to go to hunts and enjoy the
>>>companionship of fellow hunters. I wish we had more
>>>hunts for more areas. It would be great to go to a
>>>hunt, sit around and talk about dogs and meet new
>>>people.
>>>This is what I wish we could focus our energy on.
>>>Susan
>>
>>Susan, it sounds as if you are looking for a social
>>hunting club where comraderie and activities and
>>social interaction are served up as a main course.
>>Correct me if I'm wrong, but I believe the name of the
>>association is American Leopard Cur Breeder's
>>Association? If that is the case, then it would
>>follow that the name of the association suggests that
>>it is about breeding leopard curs for hunting. So,
>>that being the case, then it logic would suggest that
>>there should be a breed standard to measure up to,
>>something that makes a leopard cur a leopard cur and
>>not some mix breed. Admittedly, all dog breeds
>>started by cross breeding something, but then the
>>breeders started aiming for a look or personality or
>>whatever standard that was set and I believe that was
>>established long ago for leopards and there are
>>established colors as well. From what I have read on
>>this forum, this association simply wants dogs that
>>hunt and several of your members that have voiced
>>their opinions here aren't too concerned with how the
>>dogs look and they aren't interested in a standard.
>>Well, if all you want are dogs that hunt, then why
>>have "leopard cur" in your organization's name at all?
>> Why not call yourselves the American Hunting Cur
>>Association? My Webster's dictionary says that a cur
>>is a dog of mixed breed, a mongrel. If you don't want
>>to hold to a breed standard look that distinguishes
>>Leopards from all the mongrels being bred out there to
>>do nothing more than hunt, maybe you should rename
>>your outfit to be what the feeling being expressed on
>>here is. That would kill the dilemma of setting a
>>standard that sets Leopard's apart from all the mix
>>breeds you hunt and have fun with. If ever you want
>>Leopards to become recognized and accepted as a breed
>>by the best kennel clubs, you will need a standard
>>look as well as a standard for hunting ability and it
>>must be consistent. If you are naming your
>>association after a breed, then you should strive to
>>promote the breed to the same extent that you want it
>>to prove itself in the field. Now you might ask
>>yourselves what do I know about standards and breeding
>>programs? I know, because in the past, we have raised
>>championship stock that were judged in competition, by
>>a standard, and our breeding program was based on that
>>standard. And we belonged to an association that was
>>promoting our breed. And it doesn't matter what you
>>are breeding, be it rabbits, cattle, sheep,
>>cage-birds, horses, dogs, cats, or whatever, the
>>standard is what you judge your animals by and it's
>>your guide to measure your achievement towards the
>>perfection of your breed. That's how you know you
>>have a quality product to register and get top dollar
>>for. I've been following this board for a while now
>>and as near as I can see, Mr. Oller is trying to do
>>just what I've been talking about and I for one
>>commend him for his vision for the breed. The
>>association would do well to get serious and follow
>>his lead if they intend to continue to be a "leopard
>>cur breeder's association". Otherwise, I suggest you
>>give it up to or move over for those who do want to
>>perfect the breed. Because when you are striving to
>>standardize your breed and improve them, you draw
>>newcomers who bring a new passion and zeal with them
>>to feed new life and energy into the organization.
>>Think about it. It's been ice chatting with you.
>>Thanks for listening! (!)
>I think somewhere the point has been lost the assoc.
>has a set of standards. The problem seems to be the
>registery is owned by one person and every time the
>registery is sold the standards are beening changed by
>one person to meet their ideas of the breed. There
>needs to be some kind of a partnership between the two
>to stop this kind of a disagreement before a split
>happens and neither side is going to gain. I have not
>met anyone who does not think there their should be a
>standard in place. The problem seems to be all of a
>sudden we are now breeding for color which has never
>been the number one goal of the assoc. The problem
>seems to be in the color white which everyone
>associates with the walker dogs so I guess if I cross
>in some Black & Tan its okay because it meets the
>color standard just a thought to consider when its all
>about color.

From what I read here about the questions on the survey put out by the registration office, there were more issues covered on the standards than just color. You can cross breed whatever you want as long as you don't want to register it. Registries are about more than color. They are about breeding. It seems to me, and correct me if I'm wrong, that both bitch and dog have to be registered for the pups to be whatever it is you guys call it before they are permanently registered when they are proven to meet the breed standard and are proven as tree dogs. Most people are opposed to change, but it just keeps happening anyway whether we like it or not. So, we can either dig our heels in and never change come what may and become stagnant, or we can embrace it and grow with it and maybe become better by having weathered it. When faced with change, we all have to make our decisions. Change can break families or organizations. I have seen it happen and there isn't anything you can do about it once it starts happening but let it run its course.

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