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Subject: Re: Why did Sydney Johnson leave?


Author:
Ghost
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Date Posted: 10:20:19 03/26/24 Tue
In reply to: RedWin 's message, "Re: Why did Sydney Johnson leave?" on 22:17:04 03/25/24 Mon

John Jacques is a talented guy, saw his work while at Columbia, Cornell would be wise to take a good, hard look at him. William & Mary, with its' picturesque campus, academic strength and competitive commitment, is hardly a lateral move. Your Ivy snobbishness is showing. A lot of good coaches can't wait to win and escape (Joe Jones, Kyle Smith, Joe Scott) and be able to play on a level field with scholarships. The CAA offers outstanding competition without the Ivy academic restrictions along with terrific facilities.

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[> [> [> [> [> [> [> Subject: Re: Why did Sydney Johnson leave?


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sparman
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Date Posted: 20:16:11 03/26/24 Tue

I don't believe you are familiar with Joe Scott's coaching tenure in NJ.

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[> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> Subject: Re: Why did Sydney Johnson leave?


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Ghost
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Date Posted: 10:54:26 03/27/24 Wed

Weren't the Tigers among the top defensive teams in the country right away? Didn't he do a good job rebuilding Denver's program after that?

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[> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> Subject: Re: Why did Sydney Johnson leave?


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sparman
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Date Posted: 11:16:06 03/27/24 Wed

Your statement was that "a lot of good coaches can't wait to win and escape (Joe Jones, Kyle Smith, Joe Scott)...." which to me clearly implies that Scott was anxious to leave at the earliest opportunity. I don't believe he took the job intending to use it as a quick stepping stone, and the reality - unfortunately for Tiger fans - was that his coaching record was poor enough that the university was forced to make a change, which it rarely does and especially not regarding an alum who was a Carril protege. Defensive stats or not, as GG loves to constantly remind everyone, losing to Carnegie Mellon and an overall record below .500 with a final 2-12 conference record will do that. Whether he's generally a good coach isn't the question, it's whether he was only waiting to get out of NJ at the first opportunity as you stated.

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[> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> Subject: Darn! You beat me to it!


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Go Green
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Date Posted: 12:16:18 03/27/24 Wed


I'll try to be quicker next time!

:)

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[> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> Subject: Re: Darn! You beat me to it!


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Ghost
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Date Posted: 13:32:08 03/27/24 Wed

Do you want to challenge my other examples or do you want more? Paul Cormier? Traded in Dartmouth for Fairfield after winning with his own players, then seeing it was unsustainable. How would you classify Steve Donahue cashing in Cornell's magical Sweet 16 run to take Boston College?

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[> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> Subject: Re: Darn! You beat me to it!


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sparman
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Date Posted: 14:28:34 03/27/24 Wed

I wanted to point out including Scott on your list was incorrect. I said nothing about the others listed or your general claim.

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[> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> Subject: Re: Darn! You beat me to it!


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Ghost
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Date Posted: 15:25:39 03/27/24 Wed

Fair. Sometimes the coach and the school don't match up, meaning it's a bad hire. While Joe Scott and Princeton did not, he went on to prove he is a pretty good coach.

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[> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> Subject: Hindsight is 20/20


Author:
Go Green
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Date Posted: 15:34:19 03/27/24 Wed


In hindsight, everyone should have seen that Scott was a bad pick.

From what I understand, he preferred a strict traditional Princeton offense in the mold of Carril's glory days.

Carmody and JTII had moved away from that strategy and allowed players more freedom. They liked the freedom. They liked dunking. And they had success with it.

So when Scott wanted them to turn back the clock, it's not surprising when players didn't buy into it. And I'm sure Scott picked up a few coaching habits at Air Force that didn't go over well with the Tigers.

All around, it was a bad fit. Both Princeton and Scott were better off without the other.

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[> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> Subject: Re: Hindsight is 20/20


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Ghost
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Date Posted: 16:05:52 03/27/24 Wed

Thank you for the insightful background on the Joe Scott/Princeton mistake. Was that a rare Gary Walters mistake?

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[> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> Subject: Re: Darn! You beat me to it!


Author:
An Observer
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Date Posted: 16:12:13 03/27/24 Wed

As an outsider looking in, my sense is that, it wasn't just the form or degree of Princeton offense Joe Scott ran which was the issue.

At Air Force, Scott succeeded spectacularly while screaming at his players like Vince Lombardi and Bear Bryant rolled into one. That worked at AFA because, well, those guys are self-selected young men who've decided they don't mind being yelled at. And if you've got a drill instructor like Louis Gossett Jr getting in your face all day, having a guy like Joe Scott yell at you at practice probably isn't so bad.

But Ivy League students of the twenty-first century don't tolerate being yelled at so well.

Combine losing record with being yelled at and you've got an issue with the coach.

By the way, if you want to make sure that you can respond in a timely manner to triggering posts from others, might I suggest using this quick and easy method of responding? Just type in the appropriate letter and hit [send]:

A. Princeton lost to Division III Carnegie Mellon and, worse, went scoreless during the game

B. Judson Wallace said that Princeton basketball would never lose another game, ever

C. Steve Tosches going for a tie and an outright football championship in 1995 showed weakness of character. That's why I don't like Princeton people; they're weak and worthless

In the same vein, I'm going to use my own numbered response system:

1. I don't like that Harvard in the mid- and late 2000's lowered academic standards in men's basketball, kicking off a bit of an arms race in that direction

2. Paying college athletes and soon enough high school and junior high athletes is a terrible idea and will do great harm to America

3. We live in a golden age of Ivy athletics. We should all be grateful

4. You know, that reminds me of a woman I once dated

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[> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> Subject: I like it!!!


Author:
Go Green
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Date Posted: 16:30:21 03/27/24 Wed


But B) should be Quinn Epperly saying that it would be unacceptable for Princeton Football to lose a game.

If Wallace ever said something outlandish, I missed it.

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[> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> Subject: Re: I like it!!!


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An Observer
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Date Posted: 23:41:16 03/27/24 Wed

Somehow, I doubt you would miss it.

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[> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> Subject: Sad news


Author:
Go Green
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Date Posted: 09:47:45 03/29/24 Fri


Louis Gossett Jr. has passed.

https://apnews.com/article/louis-gossett-jr-dies-1e86e1441ec8b614a282f3de22490a07

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[> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> Subject: Re: Sad news


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Ghost
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Date Posted: 10:48:58 03/29/24 Fri

Great actor, played basketball for NYU.

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[> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> Subject: Re: Sad news


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An Observer
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Date Posted: 23:48:14 03/29/24 Fri

This is kind of a weird feeling. I haven't thought about or mentioned Louis Gossett Jr in years. I type his name here and the man almost immediately drops dead.

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[> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> Subject: Was thinking the same thing….


Author:
Go Green
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Date Posted: 09:52:36 03/30/24 Sat

I’m worried about all those women you’ve brought up on the board over the years.

I hope they’re ok…

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