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Subject: Re: Stayin' Alive, Stayin' Alive, Ha Ha Ha Ha, Stayin' Alive Author: Lurker [ Next Thread | Previous Thread | Next Message | Previous Message ] Date Posted: 12:50:36 08/27/24 Tue In reply to: An Observer 's message, "Stayin' Alive, Stayin' Alive, Ha Ha Ha Ha, Stayin' Alive" on 10:26:15 08/27/24 Tue Have to be an obnoxious proud parent: my son was on of the most earnest “signers” in the league his freshman year! A true talent! I am so anxious to see how the Lions do Sep 21. Couldnt ask for a better barometer than Lafayette. Fingers crossed [ Next Thread | Previous Thread | Next Message | Previous Message ]

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[> [> [> Subject: Re: Stayin' Alive, Stayin' Alive, Ha Ha Ha Ha, Stayin' Alive Author: An Observer [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: 13:32:29 08/27/24 Tue Not obnoxious. If you're the starting quarterback, be the best passer and runner you can be. If you're the signer, be the most earnest signer you can be. I would actually love the opportunity to speak to a signer. The modern football offense can have a playbook with 100+ plays in it. Each play's designation in the playbook might have six or seven components in it: several words or phrases indicating how each of the backs, the wide-outs and the linemen align and then a separate phrase for the play itself. The play name might have six or seven words in it. And that's for every one of 100+ plays. How can the typical offensive cooridinator come up with distinct and easily visible signals for each of those 100+ plays? How often is a mistake made? I'm shocked that we don't see more often, after the ball is snapped, one player running off by himself in the wrong direction. You've got 50-80 offensive plays x 11 men on the field = 550-880 opportunties for a screw up per team per game. It's very impressive that we don't see more mistakes. I want to ask you son, "Why not?" [ Post a Reply to This Message ]

[> [> [> [> Subject: Re: Stayin' Alive, Stayin' Alive, Ha Ha Ha Ha, Stayin' Alive Author: Lurker [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: 15:42:59 08/27/24 Tue 2 reasons I believe: Division of labor - different signers for different position groups Not the nfl - i believe what you describe is more nfl-type playcalling. College offensive schemes are more streamlined. (And that’s why getting in and out of the huddle is a big part of learning curve for rookie qb’s). Having said that, I am with you on wondering how you come up with signals for just all the different presnap motions [ Post a Reply to This Message ]

[> [> [> [> [> Subject: Re: Stayin' Alive, Stayin' Alive, Ha Ha Ha Ha, Stayin' Alive Author: An Observer [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: 16:35:58 08/27/24 Tue Question about Columbia signaling: Historically, when a team had two or three signalers on the sidelines waving their arms furiously, one or two of the signalers was a fake, to make sure that the defense could not pick up on the play call. At Columbia, are you saying that the second and third signalers are there for specific position groups? If so, I would imagine that, from series to series in the same game, the signalers change position groups, again to keep the defense from connecting specific signals to specific plays. If so, that would be another place where the chain could break. Can you imagine being a split end lined up on the far end of the field away from his bench suddenly asking himself, "Wait, am I supposed to watch my guy with the red baseball cap or blue baseball cap?" [ Post a Reply to This Message ]

[> [> [> [> [> [> Subject: Re: Stayin' Alive, Stayin' Alive, Ha Ha Ha Ha, Stayin' Alive Author: Lurker [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: 16:50:25 08/27/24 Tue I am sworn to secrecy [ Post a Reply to This Message ]

[> [> [> [> [> [> [> Subject: Re: Stayin' Alive, Stayin' Alive, Ha Ha Ha Ha, Stayin' Alive Author: GP [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: 13:28:13 09/06/24 Fri Division of labor is the easiest way to get your signs stolen. The o-line needs much less information and as a result you can identify the difference in run/pass signals very quickly. [ Post a Reply to This Message ]