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Subject: Re: Big News Author: sparman [ Next Thread | Previous Thread | Next Message | Previous Message ] Date Posted: 11:22:45 10/08/24 Tue In reply to: An Observer 's message, "Re: Big News" on 13:05:38 10/07/24 Mon College sports betting says hello: https://www.espn.com/college-sports/story/_/id/41665899/study-angry-bettors-growing-abuse-ncaa-athletes [ Next Thread | Previous Thread | Next Message | Previous Message ]

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[> [> [> [> Subject: Re: Big News Author: observer [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: 11:34:02 10/08/24 Tue C'mon. It has always been thus. Does anyone remember Jack Molinas? The BC Eagles? Mitch Marrow? The Kentucky FedEx envelope? The SMU Pony Express? This: https://paw.princeton.edu/article/princeton-censured-major-ncaa-violation-womens-tennis-0 ? The early 20th century Ivy teams were all ringers. Just because the Ivies pretended to get out of the game doesn't mean that college sports have ever been pure as the driven snow. There are plenty of Ivy athletes over the years who would never have been admitted but for their jump shot accuracy or 40m times. The facade is only that. [ Post a Reply to This Message ]

[> [> [> [> [> Subject: Re: Big News Author: An Observer [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: 12:02:25 10/08/24 Tue I'm not saying that, because the new reality of college sports is "black," that what preceded it was "white." Of course not. It was definitely "grey" before, starting in the 1870's when Princeton and Yale pioneered the practice of recruiting football ringers using alumni influence and funding. I have no delusions that college sports have been snow white ever since the first Tiger or Bulldog alum muttered to his classmate, "I'm sick of losing to those sons of bitches. Get out your wallet." SMU and Baylor boosters have nothing on their predecessors in orange or blue. And there are not "plenty" of Ivy athletes who would not have been admitted but for their jump shots or 40 times. Virtually *all* Ivy recruited varsity athletes would not have been admitted on their academics alone in the current era of 4-9% admission rates. I'm guessing 85-90% would not have been admitted if you erased their contribution to our varsity teams. And the 10-15% who could make it in on their own would be concentrated in the so-called Olympic sports. But surely you can see the difference in degree between pre-NIL, pre-portal college sports and what will exist going forward. It was definitely grey before, but we have passed the inflection point. We are headed for black, pitch black. [ Post a Reply to This Message ]

[> [> [> [> [> Subject: Hyperbole Author: sparman [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: 15:04:23 10/08/24 Tue Yes, there has always been some betting (and as a Columbia fan, no doubt you are attuned to the issue). But it has not always as it is now. And the point is about betting, not admissions. You probably knew that too. I'm wondering what life experience caused you to become so jaded. [ Post a Reply to This Message ]