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Subject: Re: Athletic Environment — Where Are We? Author: IvySportsJunkie [ Next Thread | Previous Thread | Next Message | Previous Message ] Date Posted: 17:10:05 10/17/24 Thu In reply to: joiseyfan 's message, "Athletic Environment — Where Are We?" on 16:57:38 10/16/24 Wed I accept that it is the Wild West, where the future is not very predictable. That said, I am very doubtful that the Ivies will have to drop to D3. My reasoning is that the Ivies alumni network has far, far deeper pockets than any of the D3 programs, except only MIT and Johns Hopkins. The wealth base of our Ivy alumni is unmatched by any conference D1 or D3. No, the Ivies collectives will never come close to being competitive with the big dogs of the SEC, Big Ten, ACC, and Big 12. Our alumni simply are not as passionate about supporting our major team sports as these Power 4 conference schools. Too many of our alumni prefer supporting academic programs to our athletic programs. Yet, Ivies have ample deep pockets alumni who will eventually generate sufficient funding in some form of NIL collective to allow the Ivies to fill out their D1 schedules and FCS schedules in football. Our Ivy teams will continue to regress against the Power 4 conferences, but we will maintain our very large advantage to the D3 schools and remain competitive against the lower tier D1 and FCS programs. The article does point out some interesting potential pushback issues by faculty. While this will get somewhat messy, I am guessing that our administrators, ADs and coaches will thread the needle to keep the faculty from revolting. It will be interesting to watch this all play out. [ Next Thread | Previous Thread | Next Message | Previous Message ]

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[> [> Subject: Re: Athletic Environment — Where Are We? Author: observer [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: 17:58:23 10/17/24 Thu Alumni aren't the only potential collectivists. While the average Ivy alum is wealthier than the average Oklahoma State alum, there are many more of the latter than the former, and all it takes is a Jerry Jones type to make up the difference in the average. Not to mention that there are plenty of "subway alums" who can pitch in, as well. Also - the Ivy alums are expected to foot the bill for 40 sports, and be cognizant of Title IX issues that may erupt. It's not that easy to say, "we're richer than them." And... if fundraising continues to lag the market as Garber complained about last week... https://www.thecrimson.com/article/2024/10/18/harvard-fundraising-crisis-price-tag/ [ Post a Reply to This Message ]

[> [> [> Subject: Re: Athletic Environment — Where Are We? Author: IvySportsJunkie [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: 20:54:29 10/17/24 Thu observer - I already was in full agreement that Power 4 conference school like Oklahoma State clearly will secure far more in NIL donations compared to the Ivy League. My point related to how the Ivies will do compared to the D3 programs like Bates, Bowdoin, Middlebury, etc. The more complex issue for the Ivy League now is whether there will be two types of collectives - one for overall Ivy athletic programs and one that is organized by Ivy alumni donors for specific sports, particularly football, basketball, hockey and maybe lacrosse. It is not clear if there is legal grounds to keep Ivy alumni donors from organizing collectives for specific sports. To date, the Ivies have been very slow and cautious to the NIL table. This has allowed administrators, ADs and legal counsel more time to navigate in this rapidly evolving space. It is only a matter of time that the vast pool of wealthy former Ivy athletes and other affluent Ivy sports fans begin to be tapped for NIL contributions. For many of the current Ivy active donors who are passionate about our sports, they will not find it too hard to reallocate part of their donations to NIL collectives. They can take comfort that their Ivy university already has accumulated a massive endowment. 7 of the Ivies qualify for the top 20 universities in average endowment per full-time student. Cornell is just outside the top 20 with its nearly $11 billion endowment putting it in the top 20 of largest overall university endowments. [ Post a Reply to This Message ]