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Subject: One Player at $5 Million Per, Entire Roster at $6-8 Million


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An Observer
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Date Posted: 13:24:20 12/12/24 Thu

I was listening to the announcers' chatter during last night's Colgate-Kentucky game. By the way, the Red Raiders acquitted themselves well, still leading the Wildcats a couple minutes into the second half before the home team made a big run.

The announcers said that one of the highest ranked recruits in the class of 2025 just committed to BYU for $5 million a season, funded by some boosters who have decided they want the Cougars to step up in their national profile.

The announcers estimated that the typical FBS roster in 2025 would carry an annual cost of $6-8 million, meaning about $500,000 per player.

This is more evidence for two of my beat-the-horse-to-unconsciousness-then-death arguments:

(1) This is a game that we in the Ivies should want nothing to do with. I thought that Tom Stemberg did the League no favors when he started the arms race by paying up to attract Tommy Amaker from the big time down to our little sand box. It fascinates me that, after setting the League on fire initially, Amaker has not been able to sustain his success, competing against coaches who probably make a quarter of what he does.

(2) This is bad for America. Every kid from a disadvantaged background who can occasionally sink a three-point shot is going to think this is his path to riches. It is not. A tiny fraction of those kids launching shots from behind the arc will hit the jackpot of course, but the overwhelming majority will never cash a paycheck at any level. Meanwhile, how many of those kids will take calculus when they prioritize their step-back jumper?

For America's lower socio-economic class, this is the equivalent of when the state lottery agency runs advertisements showing the smiling faces of Powerball winners. Sure, they won $500 million. Who funded that? All the dopes who bought losing tickets. We as a society are now pushing athletic lottery tickets onto our lower class. Shame on us.

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[> Subject: Amaker


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Go Green
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Date Posted: 14:18:07 12/12/24 Thu


I think most agree that

1) Amaker is still bringing in top talent to Harvard

2) Amaker has had awful luck with injuries and defections in recent years

3) Amaker has lost some of his luster following a very public spurning by Coach K.

You can probably make a case that Harvard can get similar results at a lesser price. But money has never been a problem for Harvard.

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[> [> Subject: And not for nothing, but...


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Go Green
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Date Posted: 14:24:06 12/12/24 Thu


The Penn guys on the Ivy BB Board have all but written off Donahue.

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[> Subject: Re: One Player at $5 Million Per, Entire Roster at $6-8 Million


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SpuytenDuyvil76
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Date Posted: 14:39:58 12/12/24 Thu

I couldn't agree more, except when it comes to the topic of paramount interest to this board, the Ivy League. Then I am in violent agreement.

NIL payments will set the recipients clearly apart from the rest of the students, and many of the other athletes, even in their own sports of (presumably) football, BB, hockey, lax, et al, as some will benefit greatly while many maybe not at all, but especially in the non-marquee sports. The recipients will feel themselves different, and the rest will also perceive them as different. Entirely unhealthy.

In this last great burst of coddled late adolescence we call the college years, when the young should be learning from a diverse yet equally academically ambitious cohort, the NIL recipients will be a class apart, and not necessarily heralded by their erstwhile peers for it. A shame.

The beauty of Ivy sports was you saw most of the athletes in class on a regular basis. We are already seeing how this can lead to the "one and done"-at least as far sticking with the original college or school you were recruited by. Yes, transfers can happen and have always been a fact of life, but I shudder to foresee a purely transactional approach to the Ivy athletic/education model.

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[> Subject: Re: One Player at $5 Million Per, Entire Roster at $6-8 Million


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M3
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Date Posted: 15:31:50 12/12/24 Thu

The arrogance of the Ivy League in regard to its athletes and NIL is breathtaking

If I am a lacrosse player and can go to Notre Dame/Duke/UNC and get 70K a year with no tuition I will go to ND/Duke/UNC

The IL can be very high and mighty about what these young people should do.

The reality is this

The IL is going to lose a lot of potential student athletes because of NIL and the refusal to recognize and accommodate the new norm in college athletics

A question to our attorneys out there.

What is to prevent any alumnus from giving money to an athlete to attend or stay at their favorite IL school?

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[> [> Subject: Re: One Player at $5 Million Per, Entire Roster at $6-8 Million


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observer
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Date Posted: 17:00:46 12/12/24 Thu

The "my roommate played football but I was a mathlete" days of Ivy Athletics are long gone.

Without a commitment to get with the times, the Ivies will become (if they already aren't trending there) glorified D3/Club programs.

Different != Better.

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[> [> [> Subject: Re: One Player at $5 Million Per, Entire Roster at $6-8 Million


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M3
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Date Posted: 01:43:58 12/13/24 Fri

"Without a commitment to get with the times, the Ivies will become (if they already aren't trending there) glorified D3/Club programs."

"Different != Better."


Better for who?

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[> [> [> [> Subject: Re: One Player at $5 Million Per, Entire Roster at $6-8 Million


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voy vey
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Date Posted: 08:48:51 12/13/24 Fri

"!=" is a scientific representation of "not equal to."

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[> Subject: Re: One Player at $5 Million Per, Entire Roster at $6-8 Million


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Boston Lion
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Date Posted: 16:33:03 12/12/24 Thu

AO: Well put. 100% agree.

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[> Subject: Re: One Player at $5 Million Per, Entire Roster at $6-8 Million


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The Mountain Lion
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Date Posted: 17:06:01 12/12/24 Thu

Clever move by the Columbia Athletic Department to hire a "Chief Program Strategist," apparently to assist its Head Men's Basketball Coach Engles, or vice versa. I am uncertain what a "Chief Program Strategist," is supposed to do, but I assume that every Division I college basketball team will need to add at least one or two Program Strategists to deal with the complications of the NIL Era.

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[> Subject: Re: One Player at $5 Million Per, Entire Roster at $6-8 Million


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An Observer
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Date Posted: 00:26:50 12/13/24 Fri

For those who have quipped that elite universities are hedge funds with a college attached:

Investment accounts owned by:

Harvard University: $51 billion
Yale University: $41 billion
Princeton University: $38 billion
Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints/Ensign Peak Advisors: $100 billion

If BYU wants to buy top-rated recruits, it's going to happen.

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[> Subject: A middle school football power faces the new price of success: NIL


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Washington Lion (Washington Post story)
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Date Posted: 23:48:50 12/16/24 Mon

A middle school football power faces the new price of success: NIL

By Matt Cohen

Late in the summer of 2023, before the 60-odd middle-schoolers would go undefeated for the seventh straight regular season and win another D.C. championship — before they had even completed a practice — their coach took them to Chase Bank.

Mike Sharrieff likes to run his football program in a professional manner. He requires his players to maintain a 3.0 GPA, a full point higher than the D.C. school system’s minimum for athletics eligibility. If they fall below his mark, they’re required to attend school on Saturday. Practice, study hall, bus trips to games and community service days are all part of this football machine Sharrieff has built at John Hayden Johnson Middle School in Southeast Washington.

But in the modern game, running a successful football program means teaching players how to deal with the name, image and likeness (NIL) deals that are reshaping the game — even among middle-schoolers. At least five of Johnson’s players have NIL agreements as the arms race for talent extends deeper and deeper into the grassroots game.
The money that drives football doesn’t end in college, where NIL deals have come to shape the game, or the NFL, where multimillion-dollar contracts are signed every week. Since the NCAA opened the door to financial agreements in 2021, amateur athletes who had previously not been allowed to accept money for their name, image or likeness have begun to cash in. Slowly, those benefits began to trickle down to younger athletes. Athletics organizations in 41 states and D.C. have policies allowing NIL agreements in high school, and most of those permit deals in youth sports, too. So the power of money in football now extends to the whiteboard in Sharrieff’s office, which features a list of the local businesses he needs to schmooze to help his program.

The Panthers are not an ordinary middle school team. They are a certified powerhouse, with a regular season winning streak approaching 80 games and nine city championships since 2004. Sharieff has been coaching at Johnson since 2002, and he could sense this change coming. He knew it might recast his role. So he taught each player how to open a checking account and brought in a bank representative to talk to parents. Johnson is located in Ward 8, where the rate of violent crimes with a gun is second highest in the city and the poverty rate is more than double the U.S. average. Not every student has the opportunity for change. Sharieff wants his players to know how best to capitalize on their talents. ...

https://www.washingtonpost.com/sports/2024/12/12/johnson-middle-school-football-money/

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