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Subject: Life in The New Ivy League, Pro and Con Author: An Observer [ Next Thread | Previous Thread | Next Message | Previous Message ] Date Posted: 14:05:00 01/07/25 Tue In reply to: John Harvard 's message, "Re: Danny Wolf, Michigan star" on 11:13:17 01/07/25 Tue JH, I understand your pain because, if this were still the pre-NIL era, Harvard would be starting Mack, Okpara and Simon. The 2025 Ivy race would look completely different. You'd be buying your Pizzitola tickets already. I get that you can't help but think, "What if?" Here's the way I look at it. It was always incumbent upon Ivy League coaches to seek legitimate students for their rosters. Historically, we evaluated "legitimate" by using the League-imposed AI criteria. If a recruit cleared the AI floor (with or without a PG year at any number of boarding schools who were happy to have a stud athlete for a rental season), he was deemed a legitimate, serious student worthy of an Ivy degree. Well, now we're simply definining "legitimate" more narrowly. If a guy has the requisite SAT scores, but would be swayed by the siren call of NIL money after his freshman year, that is 100% his prerogative in the Brave New World, but he no longer fits our screen. Now when James Jones or Mitch Henderson hit the recruiting trail, they've got to really figure out whether this kid who shows basketball promise really WANTS a Yale or Princeton education. If not, Jones/Henderson should move on because that kid will not be around for four years. It's more complicated for Amaker because, historically, Coach Amaker has aimed higher than Jones or Henderson has. Harvard recruits almost by definition will attract more high major attention, with their attendant booster money. So Amaker will have to work harder to get to know the kid as a student and a young man. Does he really want a Harvard education? If not, either plan for a one-and-done or move on. I've said here before: The tragedy of our not being willing to play the NIL game is that the 2023 Sweet Sixteen and the 2024 upset over Auburn will likely become wistful memories for Ivy basketball fans. We'll win again, but our trajectory is down, not up. Having said that, we'll have athletes who really want to get up early for Physics 101 and debate Kant with their classmates over meals. And I like that. [ Next Thread | Previous Thread | Next Message | Previous Message ]

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[> [> [> Subject: Re: Life in The New Ivy League, Pro and Con Author: observer [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: 14:18:57 01/07/25 Tue What is an Ivy League education these days, anyway? Look around at what passes for "educated" Ivy "students" in the past year, and one could get the idea that those enrolled (mostly non-athletes) are dummies of the highest order. Brand reputations can disappear overnight. Xerox and Kodak once had 90% market share in their respective industries. [ Post a Reply to This Message ]

[> [> [> [> Subject: Re: Life in The New Ivy League, Pro and Con Author: An Observer [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: 14:57:17 01/07/25 Tue I agree with you, observer, and not just because of YOUR brand name. Brand reputations can change and disappear. You don't need to go as far back as Xerox and Kodak dominating in the 60's and 70's. How about Nokia? Intel? Hewlett-Packard? Texas Instruments? These companies dominated in the 2000's and 2010's. How many of you had ever heard of Nvidia before 2022? Now it is arguably the most important company in the world. Not the largest market cap, the most important. When Jack Welch retired from General Electric in 2001, the consensus on Wall Street and among fawning analysts was, "This is the best run corporation on earth. A unique portfolio of industrial and financial operating companies which define corporate synergy." Now when people talk about GE at all, it's usually in reference to corporate earnings manipulation. Brand reputations do change. A lot. Having said that, university reputations change more slowly. With the singular exception of Stanford, which rose from nowhere post-war to being on par with HYP today, maybe better than on par. HYP have been at the top of the mountain since the turn of the nineteenth century. I have a lot of theories as to why their brand names have been so stable, but for now let's just say that it will be very interesting to see what the long term effects will be from the Gay/Magill resignations and all the campus protests in particular, and the mandated heavy-duty progressive dogma in general. We take university brand names as a given, a fixed entity. They are not. University admissions officers know this. That's why, just in our own conference, Columbia so aggressively gamed their numbers. It's a competitive game. Never in our lifetimes have our eight universities been under such attack and criticism. The eight presidents and eight directors of admission can go to work every morning knowing that their actions today will make or break their institutions' reputations in three or four decades hence. I wonder whether the admissions directors at Barnard and Columbia realize just how much their jobs are affected when the New York Times publishes a photograph of a kid camped out on the Low Library lawn wearing a keffiyeh on his head. [ Post a Reply to This Message ]

[> [> [> [> [> Subject: You're sadly correct Author: Go Green [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: 16:27:19 01/07/25 Tue The Washington Post had an article not too long ago saying that Sesame Street is on life support and will likely get canceled. I was crushed... :( [ Post a Reply to This Message ]

[> [> [> [> [> [> Subject: Re: You're sadly correct Author: Thiment [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: 08:13:35 01/13/25 Mon It is really sad to read such news [ Post a Reply to This Message ]