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Subject: Continuation of the Lacrosse, Men's versus Women's Basketball Tournament Subthread Author: An Observer [ Next Thread | Previous Thread | Next Message | Previous Message ] Date Posted: 12:21:52 03/17/25 Mon In reply to: joiseyfan 's message, "Re: Women’s Ivy Madness" on 12:03:49 03/17/25 Mon Spuyten Duyvil76, I'm sorry that I missed your reply to my post immediately above about the difference between men's and women's lacrosse, compared to the difference between men's and women's basketball. My response to your reply is along the lines of what Joisey has already said (up the thread, after your reply) but I would go further. You have focused on the size of the court and the height of the basket in basketball. Sure, those are the same between the men and the women. I was not talking about the size and height of the basket. I was referring to the larger money and feeder ecosystems within which the NCAA tournaments exist. There are three enormous differences between men's and women's college basketball: (1) Money (as Joisey said) (2) The size and quality of the high school player pool, relative to the number of college athletic departments which sponsor women's basketball (3) The academic qualifications of the high school player pool, which affects the Ivy League in particular because of our self-imposed AI rules I've got to jump right now to take care of some work. I'll be back in a few hours, but you can extrapolate from my three points above. [ Next Thread | Previous Thread | Next Message | Previous Message ]

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[> [> [> [> [> Subject: Re: Continuation of the Lacrosse, Men's versus Women's Basketball Tournament Subthread Author: SpuytenDuyvil76 (verily) [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: 13:00:55 03/18/25 Tue Thanks AO. You took the time to seek out my comment, which somehow got misaligned, as I intended to respond to your apples vs oranges comment. (How'd that happen?!) Yes, I was contending the lax games are fundamentally different, while basketball essentially the same for both genders. I can understand the view that the men's game is so much more developed such that competition levels that much higher, so that the academic requirement of the IL hinders the Ivy men's competitiveness. My contention is that within the universe of women's Basketball-which is all that there is-the Ivy women would appear to be more consistently competitive vs the men. At the moment at least, the women are doing better than the men within their respective spheres. [ Post a Reply to This Message ]

[> [> [> [> [> [> Subject: Re: Continuation of the Lacrosse, Men's versus Women's Basketball Tournament Subthread Author: observer [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: 07:38:56 03/20/25 Thu But to An Observer's point, there are also cultural factors at play here, too. Given the fact that a potential pro career in women's basketball doesn't have the same lottery potential as the NBA, the fallback of an Ivy education is a much bigger carrot to talented women's basketball players who benefit from the Ivy finaid wars. Plus the redshirt/transfer portal/grad option is available for those who want it, see Kaitlyns Davis and Chen. There were 2 Ivies drafted by the WNBA last year (Hsu, Davis), and one more probably this year (Turner), if not 2 (Chen). While Miye Oni made a sort of history being drafted in 2019, the last NBA Ivy draftee before him was Jerome Allen in 1995. Without serious NIL, Ivy Men's Basketball will continue to fall backwards relative to the rest of NCAA Division 1. But then again, we are probably looking at 1980 all over again. Enjoy the NCAA D1 Tournament this year and next... when the CBS/Turner rights expire, don't be surprised if the next version of the college basketball postseason doesn't feature AQs from all "Division I" schools. Get ready for the "College Basketball Playoffs." It's coming. [ Post a Reply to This Message ]